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Gmail, We Need to Talk

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Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

#2
Schema has the same problems as Microformats where adoption only takes off if the market demands it, or it gains enough momentum that people can't imagine webapps without them.

There are countless other standards this article overlooks which have been implemented very well in recent years in Gmail, so why does it lambast the lack of Schema?

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

#3
Maybe I am just really, really old at this point, but sending emails in plain text solves all these problems. I don't think I've ever received an HTML email that couldn't have been adequately represented in plain text and maybe an attached image if necessary.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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The example presented are the kinds of emails I actively avoid. Perhaps the author is right, and Gmail is not working with them on purpose. If that is the case, it may be because many users are like me, and they tend to not want fancy-looking marketing emails, and just want basic rich-text features.

The Schema initiative - I didn't know it was called that until now - is in the other direction, and I like it. Emails that have valuable information for me, such as airline flights, are presented not in the way those that send it want it to be shown, but in a way that my mail client thinks is best. Frankly, I want sameness in my emails.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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I sure would love it if the gmail client supported more modern web stuff. The history of web development has always been a history of the Lowest Common Denominator: I'm held back from doing XYZ because this browser / email client doesn't support it and that represents a big fraction of my users.

It's not just the gmail client, of course; nearly all rich mail renderers are astonishingly baroque and broken (take a look at which engines Outlook uses to render html mail - sometimes it's the msword renderer).

Of course, we could all just agree to send plain text emails with a link to the web page-ified rich version of the email, but that's not satisfying. I work in the borderlands of rich email - I'm not sending advertising stuff, I'm just sending notifications to users, but those notifications look a lot better when they've got some good markup.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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Media queries in email would allow a number of information leaks about how the email is being viewed, which I don't especially like. Allowing external images is already pretty awful.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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Maybe I am just really, really old at this point, but sending emails in plain text solves all these problems. I don't think I've ever received an HTML email that couldn't have been adequately represented in plain text and maybe an attached image if necessary.

I'm sole responsible for acquisition on a startup and I solely (for now) use direct cold email (it is B2B, email sent to public adresses, so it is not spam).

I only use plain text emails. I don't even use email tracking so that hidden pixel doesn't trigger any annoying warning on the email client that ruins the experience.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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Maybe I am just really, really old at this point, but sending emails in plain text solves all these problems. I don't think I've ever received an HTML email that couldn't have been adequately represented in plain text and maybe an attached image if necessary.

Yeah. Sadly, plain text email seems to be endangered species. But perhaps there is still hope, markdown and pals have made some inroads as all around useful document formats.

Re: Gmail, We Need to Talk

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post #5

HTML emails reduce clickthrough rates: http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/plain-text-vs-html-emails-... I think most people (correctly) interpret HTML-ness in email as a signal that the email is undesirable.

> While the plain-text emails we created had some formatting capabilities (hyperlinks, tracking pixels, etc.), they were as close to plain-text as we could while maintaining the ability to track opens and clicks for testing purposes.

That sounds like "HTML email with minimal cruft" rather than "plain text" to me.

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