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Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

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Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#51
> The UI on everything Amazon does looks like it was designed by Helen Keller.

Amazon's UI, in my opinion, is a case study in heavily politicized UI design. There are too many parties involved. They all want more screen real estate. They all think their widget is already the key to Amazon's sales, and if not, they think that if they just had a bit more screen real estate that they would increase sales 10X. Because of the magnitude of the involvement and the stakes at hand, proposing a major overhaul would literally create hundreds if not thousands of internal enemies, ready to do anything and everything to take you out.

As a result, we get Times Square with a cohesive font and color scheme.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#52
post #3

Yes. I actually do accept this, and it's OK with me. Prime has saved me so much time -- and, arguably more valuable, attention -- obtaining objects I need. I literally do not care about the price difference between a $1 and a $5 roll of tape: as long as I don't need it sooner than 2 days from now, it's comin' on amazon, because the alternative is either searching online and actually thinking about it, or leaving my h…

I wonder where everyone lives where stopping into a store is so much time. Nowadays you can order and pay for things online. I walk into the store, give them my name, sign for something, and I'm done. Everyone here is like "I drive 30 minutes to the store...". I guess maybe HN has a lot of users who live in Alaska? I'd suspect if people calculated their hourly rate on doing so they'd go right back to stores. But that…

The last 2 times I did online order pick-up it was not that convenient. Best Buy pickup wasn't bad, but they couldn't find my order. Maybe looked for 4 minutes? At Walmart, I couldn't even find anyone at the pickup station! It took at least 20 minutes to get the "right" someone (I did flag multiple people down but they couldn't help me). Then it took at least 10 more minutes to go through the process. Admittedly, both experiences were about 3 years ago. Maybe I'll try again.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#53
Speaking as a very careful shopper, my experiences at AMZN are quite different from the blogger's.

- Pricing

Amazon has excellent prices, even after they started charging sales tax in my state, and even after factoring in the annual Prime fee. Often the affiliate vendors don't charge sales tax[1], and sometimes they are a couple of bucks cheaper than the Prime price. I keep trying to find better deals elsewhere -- Ebay sometimes beats them -- but other vendors really can't compete.

- Selection

Selection at Amazon is fabulous. You can find literally anything there. Between Amazon and Ebay, they've got you covered for probably any kind of product you could imagine.

- User Experience

Well I haven't found it that difficult to do things like sort by price. You have to fast forward past the irrelevant items but many other online retailers have the same problem with false positives and deceptive categorization. After a while, people just get used to it and learn how to deal with it.

- Books

Amazon began as a book seller, and it remains one of their core competencies. The Kindle Paperwhite reader is an excellent product (the Fire tablets less so). Amazon has created a first rate ecology for e-books, self-publishers, and of course traditional printed material.

- Deals

I'm a shopping junkie and I'm always looking for bargains. I do online polls and other tasks to acquire Amazon gift cards, so I may not be the typical shopper. But there are opportunities to knock $5 off here, $10 off there, and really get some deals. Fill out this poll after the AnDevCon and receive a $20 gift card. Really? I'm all in! I live for this stuff.

- Returns

If you want the luxury of free returns for non-defective merchandise, then shop locally. That's what retail pricing is for -- to pay for the overhead of 10-20% return rates. If you can do your research and shop online very carefully, you can avoid the need to return. If a product is defective, on the other hand, Amazon has first rate service. Usually just print the label, stick it on the box, and leave it on the porch. OK, yeah, you probably need to have a roll of packing tape handy, and tape the box closed -- a rather trivial effort in the grand scheme of things.

Amazon's not perfect, not by a long stretch. Once in a while, there are better deals elsewhere. But if you shop realistically, efficiently, and try to accumulate gift cards, you make out like a bandit.

[1] Retail sales tax is gradually being extended to online sales. I respect the law, but I feel that I do not "owe" my state any more money than they already get from me (which is a lot). Just because a business has a "presence" in my state should not require them to charge sales tax on an item I ordered over the internet that was shipped from Seattle or Texas or China.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#54
post #12

Conspiracy theory: Amazon's sorting is intentionally bad so that you have to look through other items you might purchase, much like grocery stores organize so that you have to work your way through them. I don't actually believe that, but I do find myself thinking of other things I've needed/wanted when browsing Amazon.

In your "conspiracy theory", who is Amazon conspiring with? Themselves? Do you know what "conspiracy" means? Do you think a "conspiracy" can be achieved by fewer than two different parties?

"Conspiracy theory" is an idiomatic phrase in en_US now.

You don't need to have an actual conspiracy, just a Them that is secretively and maliciously acting against Us. You may label any possible explanation for an observed phenomenon as a "conspiracy theory" if the following conditions are met:

- You wish to pre-empt calls for citations and evidence by admitting up front that you don't have any.

- You admit that you might not necessarily even believe your own explanation is valid in any way.

- You are explicitly discarding Hanlon's Razor. [0] The usual reasoning is that the observed behavior could only be explained by stupidity of such colossal magnitude that a much lesser amount of malice would actually be more plausible. This is usually a backhanded dig at the party that may actually be that colossally stupid. (Seriously, how many merchants can't sort a list of their merchandise by price?)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#55
post #13

Wow, author's return experience is nothing like mine: 1. Process return request on Amazon.com. 2. UPS guy knocks on my door with his own label. My guy carries tape and tapes up the box for me, too. 3. Done. The trick is not throwing out the box until you know you're keeping the item! Same as retail.

You forgot to mention that they charge you shipping fees if the reason to return is a simple "you changed your mind". Of course that is comparable to the time you spend driving to the local store. But still, if you are a prime member returns are not free shipping. UPS stores near my house (and fedex too) all charge to tape up boxes and print out labels.

> You forgot to mention that they charge you shipping fees if the reason to return is a simple "you changed your mind"

That is true, and it can really bite you if the item is heavy (speaker stands are my personal example - $17 to return $40 stands... I just kept them).

On the other side of the continuum though sometimes Amazon will tell you to just destroy the item and won't make you ship it back. That's always a nice surprise.

I don't know if it's a regional difference (suburban SV here), but my UPS guy always shows up to my door with his own label and tape. It's REALLY convenient.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#56
From the "I can't quit you, therefore we can't quit you" department.

I find these love-hate posts interesting.

This is the halfhearted rant of an Amazon junkie. Here is someone who uses Amazon so much that he keeps spare Amazon boxes in his attic. Someone who returns items to Amazon so often, that the inconvenience of plugging his laptop into his printer drove him to buy a new printer (from Amazon, one may assume). Someone who loves Amazon so deeply, that he cannot refrain from praising it---and indeed exonerating it---even as he publicly whines about it.

I find these posts interesting because, although the author is a rather extreme example, it seems to me that this love-hate bondage is quite mainstream, not being limited to Amazon or technophiles. Never mind the first-world indignation at Amazon's failure to meet the author's admittedly unwarranted expectations. The emotion driving this is an ethical conflict: my heart is saying go, but my head is saying stay, or vice versa. Many people (in my estimation) have similarly mixed feelings about Facebook, Apple, and Google, at variously increasing rates.

This conflict is born of dependency. Your negative feelings about something you depend on (pain, shame, frustration, disappointment), strong as they may grow, are never strong enough to overcome your sense of need, along with whatever dopamine hit you get from using it. Despite being old enough to remember a world without Amazon, the OP takes for granted that someone has to do Amazon's job: if not Amazon, then some hard-to-imagine competitor. But the OP will never leave Amazon---not for another Amazon, anyway. He has love enough for both.

So yeah, this is about the author's personal struggle with the mere idea of freedom from Amazon. But it's just as well that the title says "we've all just come to accept it."

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#57
post #3

Yes. I actually do accept this, and it's OK with me. Prime has saved me so much time -- and, arguably more valuable, attention -- obtaining objects I need. I literally do not care about the price difference between a $1 and a $5 roll of tape: as long as I don't need it sooner than 2 days from now, it's comin' on amazon, because the alternative is either searching online and actually thinking about it, or leaving my h…

Yes, however, if you have other delivery services (e.g. Google Shopping Express) you should look around. Stuff on GSX can often be on sale (like in the retail stores), and even not on sale, stuff is often cheaper there. Inventory can vary, but I get it same-day or next, not 2 days later.

I use it so often that the yearly costs (like prime, about $100/y) is a drop in the bucket.

Amazon used to be less expensive, but in the past few years, I've noticed local stores are sometimes drastically cheaper on basic goods.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#58

> The UI on everything Amazon does looks like it was designed by Helen Keller. Ugh. That is just nasty. If you are ever tempted to write something like that, don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller

I think I would probably prefer a web designed in part by a blind or deafblind person.

Less visual clutter or cute CSS or JS positioning tricks, for one. If you think hijacking the scroll bar is bad, or hate sites that present a blank page if scripts are off, imagine how you might feel about incomprehensible gibberish spewing from your screen reader.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#59
I've been a customer of Amazon since 1999 and I've never had a problem with them. They treat me better than Walmart, they cost less than the corner store, and it's quick and easy. I'm tired of people saying I should pay more and put up with more bullshit just to support a smaller company.

Re: Amazon Kind of Sucks and We’ve All Just Come to Accept It

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder where everyone lives where stopping into a store is so much time. Nowadays you can order and pay for things online. I walk into the store, give them my name, sign for something, and I'm done. Everyone here is like "I drive 30 minutes to the store...". I guess maybe HN has a lot of users who live in Alaska? I'd suspect if people calculated their hourly rate on doing so they'd go right back to stores. But that…

The last 2 times I did online order pick-up it was not that convenient. Best Buy pickup wasn't bad, but they couldn't find my order. Maybe looked for 4 minutes? At Walmart, I couldn't even find anyone at the pickup station! It took at least 20 minutes to get the "right" someone (I did flag multiple people down but they couldn't help me). Then it took at least 10 more minutes to go through the process. Admittedly, bot…

Well everything sucks at Wal-Mart.
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