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Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by scott_s »

majkinetor wrote: post #48
zappo2938 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vitamin C has been proven to not have an effect on viral colds either way.[1] Vitamin D on the other hand has been proven to be an immune system modulator.[2] Unlike Vitamin C, most people develop Vitamin D deficiency.[3] I strongly advice you and everybody based on these studies to get yearly blood work and talk to a doctor about taking 4000IU daily supplement of Vitamin D. Also massive doses of Vitamin D can have n…

Vitamin C doesn't cure common cold, but it sure as hell a) shortens it b) prevents complications (which may rise to be chronic). What vitamin C does is prevent common cold, if taken the right way. Pauling cure for common cold was never really tested. All papers on common cold used very small doses, almost all bellow 1g. Paulling advocated 1-2g every hour. I tried it and it works for me, but timing is crucial - it mus…

Research on vitamin C does not agree with your conclusions.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by scott_s »

harryf wrote: post #19
acd wrote: post #9

Is this why taking Vitamin C is good when you start to get a cold?

If you consider the evolution of homo sapiens and it's predecessor, homo erectus, you have about 1.98 Million years where their diet would have been rich in Vitamin C; berries, fruit, vegetables etc.; their primary food sources, supplemented occasionally by meat when available. Farming only began to develop around 20,000 years ago, causing grains take a bigger role in home sapiens diet and reducing the relative Vitam…

It's a reasonable hypothesis, yes. But it has been researched, and it turns out to not be the case.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by liberale »

gabemart wrote: post #56
majkinetor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> vitamin C has no side effects I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned). Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different…

Toxicity of vit-c is very low. Death by vit-c overdose is un-heard of. Intaking enough vit-c to cause death, could be due to sheer weight of substance intaken rather than bio-chemical function of vit-c. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose

Also studies conducted on animals (especially primates) that cannot synthesize vit-c on their own, show that they intake about upto 80x the RDA value of vitamin-c. So, humans intake as low as 1.25% of vit-c levels that monkeys eat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements

Most often than not, RDA values are a joke and should be treated as bare minimum levels to prevent diseases such as scurvy and not as the optimum level. Sub-clinical deficiency in essential vitamins and minerals always happen.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by LordKano »

sbierwagen wrote: post #2

On a side note, Linus Pauling was notorious for, late in life, after winning all his Nobels and other such prizes, pushing the idea that megadoses of Vitamin C would cure all cancers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling#Medical_research... https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/high-dose-vitamin-c-and... He died in 1994, of cancer.

A lot of people advocate cannabis as a cure for cancer.

I remind them that Bob Marley died from cancer.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by mb_72 »

majkinetor wrote: post #50
mb_72 wrote: post #49

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These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know.

You don't know that - it could have been other unknown factors that made the difference. The same claims of 'working' are made for homoeopathy etc.

In general 'trying stuff' is a waste of effort, time and money unless there is supporting evidence for efficacy.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by vixen99 »

arbitrage wrote: post #26
sbierwagen wrote: post #2

On a side note, Linus Pauling was notorious for, late in life, after winning all his Nobels and other such prizes, pushing the idea that megadoses of Vitamin C would cure all cancers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling#Medical_research... https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/high-dose-vitamin-c-and... He died in 1994, of cancer.

If you live long enough, you have a really good chance of getting some type of cancer.

Not if you really do live long enough: "4% of centenarians die of cancer, compared to almost 40% mortality in the middle-age group"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894918/

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by majkinetor »

scott_s wrote: post #61
majkinetor wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vitamin C doesn't cure common cold, but it sure as hell a) shortens it b) prevents complications (which may rise to be chronic). What vitamin C does is prevent common cold, if taken the right way. Pauling cure for common cold was never really tested. All papers on common cold used very small doses, almost all bellow 1g. Paulling advocated 1-2g every hour. I tried it and it works for me, but timing is crucial - it mus…

Research on vitamin C does not agree with your conclusions.

You should inform yourself more and read papers on your own.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by majkinetor »

kmicklas wrote: post #54
majkinetor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. Worked in what way? You made no mention of what it actually did, except maybe prevent some viral infections?

I didnt want to elaborate here, i did so on several other places. It basically stops common cold and probably other common viral diseases in a day if used right.

For instance check my protocol here

https://www.paleohacks.com/sick/how-do-you-take-care-of-your...

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by majkinetor »

gabemart wrote: post #56
majkinetor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> vitamin C has no side effects I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned). Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different…

Yes , metabolism of vit C changes during desease which is easily checked on your own with bowel tollerance method.

The claim it is not supported by mainstream medicine is nonsence. Like I said its not investigated. Only small doses are.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by majkinetor »

liberale wrote: post #63
gabemart wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> vitamin C has no side effects I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned). Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different…

Toxicity of vit-c is very low. Death by vit-c overdose is un-heard of. Intaking enough vit-c to cause death, could be due to sheer weight of substance intaken rather than bio-chemical function of vit-c. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose Also studies conducted on animals (especially primates) that cannot synthesize vit-c on their own, show that they intake about upto 80x the RDA value of vitamin-c. So,…

Correcrt. Primates take vit. C in grams naturally for example.
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