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Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by Retric »

prodmerc wrote: post #34
Retric wrote: post #30

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Nutrition has changed far less over the last 50 years than you might think. The real issue is condensing it into sound bytes. In a sound bite X More! vs. X Less! has a lot to do with peoples eating habits and overall health not just how good or bad X is. Especially when it often breaks down as Benefits A, B, C vs. problems X, Y, Z. Yes, sometimes we add a benefit or risk to the list and or change the risk weights sli…

I'm not very knowledgeable in this topic, but I think it's changed a lot. The way food is processed changes the way we're absorbing it. Today's bread, milk, cheese, veggies, fruits are a bit different than 50 years ago - they last longer, taste different, probably because of how they're processed. That lack of bacteria that makes things go bad faster should have a different effect on our bodies, no?

That's got little to do with what I meant.

Replace "Nutrition", with "Nutrition Science" or "Our understanding of the body's need for Nutrition" in my comment.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by mrfusion »

majkinetor wrote: post #46
mtgx wrote: post #42

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Isn't it dangerous for a human to take that much in a day? What about for a month every day?

Not at all. I experimented 5+ years with it and took on several occasions 100+g per day with regular input between 10-15g per day. The only problem I had after 5 years is slight pain in esophagus immediately after taking C, but it passed after I switched to taking C on full stomach. Note: you MUST use pure AA powder, nothing else. Timing of C is essential - you must do it right, or the effects are minimal (you basica…

What would help gum disease?

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by narag »

pluckytree wrote: post #25
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #13

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>He died in 1994, of cancer. Why is this brought out in such a dismissing and ironic way? He claimed that there may be some treatments with Vitamin C, not that if you take a little a day you'll be immortal. Hell, there are so many different types of cancer, that even if megadosing C helped with one it probably wouldn't help with all. He lived to his 90s. At that point it was either cancer or heart disease that kills…

I never understood the mocking, either, especially since he’s been proven extremely right about the ill-effects of consuming processed sugars. I suspect it’s rooted in his anti-nuclear and anti-war views and it just grew from there. His views on Vitamin C were just a convenient target. It’s uncomfortable to those with analytical minds to accept the fact that we know so little about the human body and how it works. St…

I've just been cured from another sickness caused by the same bacteria. Only one or two years of suffering, not so much, but enough to make my life miserable in so many ways.

The explanation I've read at Wikipedia is that it's an extremophile (digestive acids), so it could never be cultured until very recently.

I completely agree with you about lack of perspective in medical knowledge. Pros get all defensive instead of doing a bit of self-criticism. Fortunately the scientific method seems to be stronger that individuals' biases.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by kmicklas »

majkinetor wrote: post #50
mb_72 wrote: post #49

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These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know.

Worked in what way? You made no mention of what it actually did, except maybe prevent some viral infections?

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by gilleain »

majkinetor wrote: post #46
mtgx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it dangerous for a human to take that much in a day? What about for a month every day?

Not at all. I experimented 5+ years with it and took on several occasions 100+g per day with regular input between 10-15g per day. The only problem I had after 5 years is slight pain in esophagus immediately after taking C, but it passed after I switched to taking C on full stomach. Note: you MUST use pure AA powder, nothing else. Timing of C is essential - you must do it right, or the effects are minimal (you basica…

> Vitamin C is the most effective virus killer in large doses if you time it right.

Which viruses? All viruses? With what mechanism? This is nothing more than molecular fanboyism. Nothing is a panacea.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by gabemart »

majkinetor wrote: post #50
mb_72 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

> vitamin C has no side effects

I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned).

Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different effect to regular doses, what is your evidence that megadoses have no side effects?

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by bitL »

majkinetor wrote: post #48
zappo2938 wrote: post #18

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Vitamin C has been proven to not have an effect on viral colds either way.[1] Vitamin D on the other hand has been proven to be an immune system modulator.[2] Unlike Vitamin C, most people develop Vitamin D deficiency.[3] I strongly advice you and everybody based on these studies to get yearly blood work and talk to a doctor about taking 4000IU daily supplement of Vitamin D. Also massive doses of Vitamin D can have n…

Vitamin C doesn't cure common cold, but it sure as hell a) shortens it b) prevents complications (which may rise to be chronic). What vitamin C does is prevent common cold, if taken the right way. Pauling cure for common cold was never really tested. All papers on common cold used very small doses, almost all bellow 1g. Paulling advocated 1-2g every hour. I tried it and it works for me, but timing is crucial - it mus…

Did you try taking zinc right after an onset of symptoms? I experimented with that one and had like 50% probability of getting over some common viroses within one day.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by muaddirac »

majkinetor wrote: post #46
mtgx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it dangerous for a human to take that much in a day? What about for a month every day?

Not at all. I experimented 5+ years with it and took on several occasions 100+g per day with regular input between 10-15g per day. The only problem I had after 5 years is slight pain in esophagus immediately after taking C, but it passed after I switched to taking C on full stomach. Note: you MUST use pure AA powder, nothing else. Timing of C is essential - you must do it right, or the effects are minimal (you basica…

I would recommend listening to this sometime: http://www.maximumfun.org/sawbones/sawbones-vitamins

I'd be curious to see if you still hold the same opinions. (It's a very entertaining podcast too!)

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by scott_s »

majkinetor wrote: post #50
mb_72 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

You have not established causation. That is, you and others you know do it; you have a health outcome you are comfortable with; yet you have not established causation between the two.

Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice

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Post by scott_s »

majkinetor wrote: post #46
mtgx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it dangerous for a human to take that much in a day? What about for a month every day?

Not at all. I experimented 5+ years with it and took on several occasions 100+g per day with regular input between 10-15g per day. The only problem I had after 5 years is slight pain in esophagus immediately after taking C, but it passed after I switched to taking C on full stomach. Note: you MUST use pure AA powder, nothing else. Timing of C is essential - you must do it right, or the effects are minimal (you basica…

Ironically, you're talking about the very thing this article leads with: that Linus Pauling touted vitamin C as a miracle cure with over-dosing, despite no evidence, and none has been found.

(I also think that article lead is irresponsible, because if it turns out this study holds up, and vitamin C is a viable treatment for this kind of cancer, we have soundly shown it does not work in the many areas we have tested it.)

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