Vitamin C correlated with dead of tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
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Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#12This seems to contradict another recent study [1] that found that Vitamin C promoted cancer (melanoma) growth.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/1...
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#13On a side note, Linus Pauling was notorious for, late in life, after winning all his Nobels and other such prizes, pushing the idea that megadoses of Vitamin C would cure all cancers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling#Medical_research... https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/high-dose-vitamin-c-and... He died in 1994, of cancer.
>He died in 1994, of cancer.
Why is this brought out in such a dismissing and ironic way? He claimed that there may be some treatments with Vitamin C, not that if you take a little a day you'll be immortal. Hell, there are so many different types of cancer, that even if megadosing C helped with one it probably wouldn't help with all.
He lived to his 90s. At that point it was either cancer or heart disease that kills people. That fact that he lived to 93 is pretty impressive in itself.
As someone who recently went on Vitamin D supplements due to low D in my bloodstream, I find it incredibly interesting how medicine is always changing. This knee-jerk skeptic idea about how everything but the current accepted status quo is "quackery" and mocking guys like Pauling is reprehensible. Just a few years ago, no one was checking Vitamin D levels. Now my depression and lethargy have been turned way down as my Vitamin D increases.
Hell, I remember being a teen with ulcers and being told to lay off the spicy foods. I tried to explain to the doctor that I never eat that and he shrugged and wrote me a script for Zantac, it being prescription-only at the time. A few years later H. pylori's role in ulcer creation was revealed and now the standard treatment isn't large doses of zantac, but two weeks of amoxicillin. My ulcers magically went away after that treatment.
Medicine is one of things that moves fast and the jury is still out on a lot of marginalized treatments, concepts, and research. I wouldn't be surprised if Pauling's research eventually fleshed out into some kind of cancer treatment, or at least as a supplemental treatment.
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#14Is this why taking Vitamin C is good when you start to get a cold?
Nope. Doing that is, from what I've read at least, 100% useless. But it's a pervasive enough belief that snake-oil salesmen have made a killing off it.
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#15This seems to contradict another recent study [1] that found that Vitamin C promoted cancer (melanoma) growth. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/1...
That's the nasty thing about cancerous cells, they can adapt to "feed" (via blood) on a wide range of macro- (glucose, protein, fatty acids, even ketones for some rare types) and micro-nutrients (vitamins, "antioxidants") just like "healthy" cells.
What baffles me is that even autophagy either doesn't seem to always work (easy to induce by water-fasting for a couple of weeks) --else every sufferer would do so until in remission-- or that we still don't seem to have pharmaceutical ways of jumpstarting/forcing "99% effective" autophagy..
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#16This seems to contradict another recent study [1] that found that Vitamin C promoted cancer (melanoma) growth. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/1...
It would actually contradict it if this article mentioned melanoma like the post you found. I highly suspect we'll find individual ways of treating most individual cancer types before finding one that targets them all.
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#17Is this why taking Vitamin C is good when you start to get a cold?
Nope. Doing that is, from what I've read at least, 100% useless. But it's a pervasive enough belief that snake-oil salesmen have made a killing off it.
> Doing that is, from what I've read at least, 100% useless.
Well it's not 100% useless, it's just not "100% success rate guaranteed every time". Maybe not even 20%. But 100% useless will be hard to prove..
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#18Is this why taking Vitamin C is good when you start to get a cold?
Vitamin C has been proven to not have an effect on viral colds either way.[1] Vitamin D on the other hand has been proven to be an immune system modulator.[2] Unlike Vitamin C, most people develop Vitamin D deficiency.[3] I strongly advice you and everybody based on these studies to get yearly blood work and talk to a doctor about taking 4000IU daily supplement of Vitamin D. Also massive doses of Vitamin D can have negative effects.
As for Vitimin C, just because someone is a Noble Prize winner or brain surgeon doesn't mean they are an authority on all things. Ben Carson makes my point.
[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23440782
[2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870528/
[3]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vitamin-d-deficien...
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#19Is this why taking Vitamin C is good when you start to get a cold?
If you consider the evolution of homo sapiens and it's predecessor, homo erectus, you have about 1.98 Million years where their diet would have been rich in Vitamin C; berries, fruit, vegetables etc.; their primary food sources, supplemented occasionally by meat when available.
Farming only began to develop around 20,000 years ago, causing grains take a bigger role in home sapiens diet and reducing the relative Vitamin C consumption. Meanwhile we didn't physically evolve during that time.
So one might expect that our bodies are evolved to thrive when Vitamin C intake is high...
Re: Vitamin C kills tumor cells with hard-to-treat mutation in mice
#20Lots of mice studies don't translate well into humans. This one is highly specific -- a specific mutation. It's unlikely to have much bearing on real world cancer.
Why is this comment down-voted? It's true. Mouse-models, especially for colon and breast cancers, have proven to be less-than-dependable (Cf. Voskoglou-Nomikos)