Terence McKenna - Culture is Not Your Friend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_lS6IuLeQ
We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
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Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#52This concept has been developed very well, imo, by people like Zizek. I honestly don't care much for his political follies or his real academic research- when it comes to discussing ideology, he's doing the best outreach bar none.
Here's him giving a talk at Google: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0eyNkNpL0
A friend of mine also parsed it well like this:
> "I think there is something to be said to the effect that laziness is actually where we can find a lot of insight - as it's when we're lazy, when we cannot be bothered, or at least where we think it is not essential to focus our attention for the sake of the work at least, that we tend to defer to the implicit shared attitudes or beliefs about the world to do the lifting for us."
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#53Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...
It's like I have glasses, and most of the time I don't see them and I forget about them. That's a good thing I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I haven't forgot my glasses, while I am wearing them. Then I have to look for them, really look for the frame until I'm assured they are there. Stupid, but this is how it works over here! ;-)
And how often do you think about/are you aware how the fact that you are wearing glasses changes the way people think about you, and the way they interact with you?
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#54This is the obvious answer to the fundamental question of epistemology: would I think what I think if I didn't think the way I think?
The answer is obviously "no", but the next questions that arise from that are more complicated ("What would I think if I thought differently?" "Is there a 'correct' way to think?" "How can I validate my thinking?" "Is there a way to move my thinking towards a more 'correct' way?").
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. Traveling internationally has been an eye opener for me, although it also confirmed many of my deeply held biases about my own country. Americans will be shocked to learn that people in other countries don't walk around thinking about America or wondering what "the Americans" are going to do about stuff.
Americans will be shocked to learn that people in other countries don't walk around thinking about America or wondering what "the Americans" are going to do about stuff. I don't know any Americans who do that.
I know plenty that think the US is the center of the world. This very discussion is about why you might not have noticed that part of American culture.
Why do you think that our democratically elected leaders feel so comfortable bombing, invading and murdering? They know much of the population ultimately feels that it is the US society's prerogative.
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#56Sartre described this on a more abstract level in his essay "La transcendence de l'ego: Esquisse d'une description phénomenologique"[0], which essentially says that the active level of consciousness can never be reflected upon because the moment we reflect upon it it becomes passive, being reflected upon by a higher level of consciousness.
[0] english wp article about the essay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transcendence_of_the_Ego
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#57I was born and brought up in India and have lived in the U.S for around 6+ years before finally returning back home recently.
Living outside your own country for a significant length time is pretty mind expanding. This is what I have realized:
Culture is a very real thing. A lot of the thoughts that we have are not really our own. They are a product of the culture around you. It is pretty incredible to observe.
This is just from my perspective.
America values rugged individualism while most asian countries including India, China, Japan, Philippines value the opposite. Here are some things I found pretty interesting.
America: Family
1. Your child doesn't owe anything to you. No child asks to be born. You made the choice to have a baby and so it is your duty and responsibility to educate them well and provide basic comfort and security. It is your responsibility to meet your own emotional needs. American parents feel like they are failures if their kid continues to stay in their home after they reach adulthood. Even the adult children feel the same way. I remember Travis Kalanick mentioning the time he was living with his parents as pretty depressing (after his startup Redswoosh failed) If you want to insult someone here you can say, "Are you still staying with your parents?. You need to move out of your parent's basement!"
Once the kids move out, the parents reconnect with each other and will try and pursue their own interests.
India
Your life is a gift from your parents who will be the number one priority in your life. You owe your parents everything. Indian parents will do ANYTHING and everything for their kids. They will sell their property and get into a lot of debt, if it comes to that, to educate their kids and to make sure they have a great life. Kids are expected to honor and listen to their parents. Even after marriage there is a tug of war between the mom/dad who feels that their kid is being stolen from them by the spouse. If you want to insult an Indian you can just say, "He/she doesn't respect elders". In India parents work hard so their kids can enjoy their money and property. People admire kids who stay and live with their parents. Even celebrities who are worth many millions of dollars stay together with their parents as a family and there is nothing disrespectful about it. The children are an extension of their selves and there is a deep life long attachment. The kids will take care of their parents in their old age. People get very offended if you ask them if their parents are living in an old age home/retirement/assisted facilities.
"A marriage is considered to be a union between two families and not two people!", is a common dialogue heard everywhere in India. Most people say this as if it is the most obvious truth. It's almost like saying the sky is blue. In the US, a marriage is considered a union between two individuals and not two families.
Again, here is the question. How come most Americans feel exactly the same way? How come most Indians feel the opposite?
2. The need to learn a foreign language.
Most Indians know three languages. 1. Their own native language (like, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Gujarati etc) 2. Hindi 3. English. A lot of people know and understand upto 4 or even 5 languages. So, there is nothing special about knowing different languages. People won't be impressed if you tell them you know French, Spanish or Mandarin. It's like telling someone that you can hop on one leg for a few miles. A difficult but pointless achievement.
For many Americans, knowing a foreign language is a big deal. They will go to great lengths to learn Spanish, French or Mandarin. Mark Zuckerberg showed off his ability to speak Mandarin a while back. I read one answer in Quora (which an elderly person wrote) mentioning that he regrets not being able to learn a foreign language. Tim Ferris shows off his foreign language acquisition skills to impress visitors to his blog and tv shows.
Again I have to ask the same question: How come most people in the US feel this way? To an outsider it seems really silly and absurd.
3. "4 people". In India, many people live for the sake of society. This is true everywhere. Most people want to impress others but it is at a completely different level in India. People make life changing decisions not based on their own interests but for the sake of society. There are 20+ plus languages in India and interestingly, almost every single language has this phrase "4 people". Are you planning to quit your job at Google to do your own startup? What will the "4 people" around you think? What do you mean you are not getting married? What will the "4 people" say? Conformity is everything. If your older sibling or younger sibling marries someone from a different race/caste/religion then it means that your family doesn't have a value system and it will be difficult for you to find a spouse because you come from a family with no values.
4. Inquisitiveness. Indian people are very inquisitive. If you are overweight, they will advise you to start dieting. "Looks like you've been eating a lot. You need to lose weight", is a common refrain. They will ask you how much something costs, how much money you make per year and enquire about your properties and other assets. If you tell them you booked a flight from L.A to Delhi, the first question they will ask is about the flight cost. If you are their friend they will quiz you about your savings. Again, this is not just one person or two but most people in India.
Again, the same question, why do most people born in a certain culture all behave in a certain way? It's almost like people are hypnotized en-masse into believing some things as fundamental truths. Pretty surreal to experience it.
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think international travel should be mandatory, especially for US citizens. The longest I've stayed anywhere overseas is a month, but even a few days in another country can be eye-opening.
Agreed. Traveling internationally has been an eye opener for me, although it also confirmed many of my deeply held biases about my own country. Americans will be shocked to learn that people in other countries don't walk around thinking about America or wondering what "the Americans" are going to do about stuff.
I actually think a lot of Americans would be surprised how much people in other countries know about the US.
For example, a significant portion of Americans probably know basically nothing about France, and French government. France doesn't really affect their lives at all, and the mainstream news only mentions the country when a really major story happens.
But glancing at the front page of the Le Monde website, I see a story about Obama meeting with Netanyahu, a really interesting article about big data in American elections (with a lot about a tool called NationBuilder that I've never heard of), a blog about the search for extraterrestrial life that draws mainly from American research, and an article about Obama and Keystone XL.
There's a "Pixels" section full of American culture, with stuff about Fallout 4, YouTube stars, Microsoft, and an FBI hacking story.
A lot of this stuff could be considered "local" news; I'm not sure why anyone in France would care about Keystone XL.
Now obviously French people aren't walking around worrying about America, but in general, I think people in other countries know a lot more about us than we know about them. And that's not just because of the stereotypical ignorant American, the US just influences other countries more than they influence us.
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's like I have glasses, and most of the time I don't see them and I forget about them. That's a good thing I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I haven't forgot my glasses, while I am wearing them. Then I have to look for them, really look for the frame until I'm assured they are there. Stupid, but this is how it works over here! ;-)
And how often do you think about/are you aware how the fact that you are wearing glasses changes the way people think about you, and the way they interact with you?
It often surprises me when other people are resistant to wearing glasses later in life. I've had them since second grade, they are just a fact of life!
Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it
#60Some of my friends report how eating certain mushrooms made the super creative. I have asked what they created? Nothing. The reason why they think they we're creative is because they felt creative. This article made similar thing for me with respect to learning. I feel like I learned something. But I really don't remember what.
Cannabis often makes me more creative in terms of ideas , but not usually execution.
I'd be happy with ideas. But those dudes didn't even remember what ideas they had. Then maybe it was just a feeling.