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My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #11

every newspaper on earth is a propaganda newspaper. every journalist working for an editorial line that is dicted to him is a propaganda agent. I can't wait for this piece of our society to die thanks to the Web. She picked a one sided view of russian troll influencing people. why didnt she chose US trolls, or Arab trolls, or French trolls, ect. every nation on earth wants to control an manipulate information through…

They indeed pay folks to do this. One Professional Russian Troll Tells All: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760 The rest of your comments is directing blame on the victim (the journalist).

western news saying russians pay trolls to spread pro-russian opinion on the web while russian news are saying exactly the same thing for western trolls.

It just depends on which side you see it. if you look at the big picture she is not a victim but someone fighting an information war

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #11

every newspaper on earth is a propaganda newspaper. every journalist working for an editorial line that is dicted to him is a propaganda agent. I can't wait for this piece of our society to die thanks to the Web. She picked a one sided view of russian troll influencing people. why didnt she chose US trolls, or Arab trolls, or French trolls, ect. every nation on earth wants to control an manipulate information through…

I think your comment is the most retarded one I've read on HN.

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #3

The whole idea of the state-sponsored troll army is to destroy the Internet as a reliable means of discussion and to devalue it as a venue for journalism, especially independent journalism. Russia would much prefer that there were only liars and cheerleaders, that anyone disagreeing with the Kremlin sinks to their level or picks a 'side'. I think that it shows that their bosses don't really understand real Internet d…

She states: the "high level Finnish Parliament official Peter Saramo has been spreading lies about me – Saramo said I put all Finnish journalists to shame and later spread false information about me."

Does she claim that the member of the Parliament is a paid Russian troll? Or that he believed some false information to be true? What was it? What are the "lies" he have "spread"? I only see something he wrote using his own name on the Facebook. And we actually don't know what's behind the claim that she "puts all Finnish journalists to shame."

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #3

The whole idea of the state-sponsored troll army is to destroy the Internet as a reliable means of discussion and to devalue it as a venue for journalism, especially independent journalism. Russia would much prefer that there were only liars and cheerleaders, that anyone disagreeing with the Kremlin sinks to their level or picks a 'side'. I think that it shows that their bosses don't really understand real Internet d…

> I think that it shows that their bosses don't really understand real Internet discussion and don't know that people can identify trolls, regardless if they are state-sponsored or not. You greatly underestimate people's gullibility.

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Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #11

every newspaper on earth is a propaganda newspaper. every journalist working for an editorial line that is dicted to him is a propaganda agent. I can't wait for this piece of our society to die thanks to the Web. She picked a one sided view of russian troll influencing people. why didnt she chose US trolls, or Arab trolls, or French trolls, ect. every nation on earth wants to control an manipulate information through…

They indeed pay folks to do this. One Professional Russian Troll Tells All: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760 The rest of your comments is directing blame on the victim (the journalist).

In what alternate reality outside of a war zone is a journalist a victim?

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They indeed pay folks to do this. One Professional Russian Troll Tells All: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760 The rest of your comments is directing blame on the victim (the journalist).

western news saying russians pay trolls to spread pro-russian opinion on the web while russian news are saying exactly the same thing for western trolls. It just depends on which side you see it. if you look at the big picture she is not a victim but someone fighting an information war

This is investigative journalism of a proven phenomenon (paid Russian troll factories), and claiming it to be part of "information war" frankly smacks of the very thing the journalist is investigating here.

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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Back to the USSR. East-West relations are reverting to the Cold War days. From saber-rattling, proxy wars to propaganda campaigns, few will dispute that there has been a back-slide in recent years.

But here is what I find amazing: we have already seen this movie and we know what forces are at play and what the likely outcome is. Namely, it is very difficult to maintain legitimacy as a government through a propaganda campaign. It is a highly unstable equilibrium. At any time, information can get out of the hands of the propagandists and the system will find a more stable equilibrium -- ie. leaders will be replaced. It's just a matter of time.

Right now the Kremlin is likely undergoing an intense debate on how to spin the downing of the recent Russian flight as something other than a reaction to the Russian air war in Syria. This is a heavy lift. Maybe they will succeed in this and maybe not. If so, they will have found a temporary reprieve but will no doubt find themselves encountering a similar issue in the future. The legitimacy of the Russian leadership will continually find itself teetering so long as it relies on propagandists to hold back a flood of disapproval.

Compare this system to the inherent stability of responsive governments with rule of law: healthy democracies (ie. Western democracy), responsive authoritarian systems (Singapore, China). Both these systems have release valves. In the case of democracies, elections reassert legitimacy with election cycles. In the case of responsive authoritarian systems, the government relies on surveys and technocratic leadership.

Russia has neither method of achieving stable equilibrium and so the propaganda will serve as a shaky dike holding back an ever growing force.

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They indeed pay folks to do this. One Professional Russian Troll Tells All: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760 The rest of your comments is directing blame on the victim (the journalist).

In what alternate reality outside of a war zone is a journalist a victim?

Did you read the article? She has been personally harassed due to her profession. That by definition makes her a victim of harassment.

Re: My Year as a Pro-Russia Troll Magnet

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I've been reading a great history book lately about the end of the Cold War. The author had the chance to interview folks on both sides of the conflict.

The Russians were very, very good at establishing relationships with easily-influenced folks in the west, then using them to sway public opinion. Some were paid off, some were "useful idiots". I'm only guessing, but from what I've seen online in the last decade or so it looks like they've wholeheartedly taken those skills and applied them to internet trolling.

Of course, I'm sure they're not alone. The internet has become just another battleground for nation-states. It would be very interesting to learn how much money is being spent on this kinda stuff worldwide. I bet it easily runs in the eight figures.

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