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We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Noting before reading that 15mb of animated GIF's is not a great way for an article to make a first impression.

And in this case, their being gifs or images add nothing of value to the article. They're just quotes superimposed over faces with blinking text. Aesthetics over functionality.

ie, Culture.

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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"I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology.

The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating. It’s not only our reality which enslaves us. The tragedy of our predicament when we are within ideology is that when we think that we escape it into our dreams, at that point we are within ideology."[1]

This is a really nice documentary about all the unspoken assumptions that permeate our day to day lives, I would really recommend everybody to see it.

None of this is scientific or empirical, but the thing is, neither are the myriad of day-to-day assumptions that we usually take as obvious or common sense.

[1] The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012)

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...

Donna Haraway makes a similar point with the concept of "situated knowledge" [1] - the fact that we are all situated in our own practices, and as a result, objectivity becomes hard to claim.

[1] https://faculty.washington.edu/pembina/all_articles/Haraway1...

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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"I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology. The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating. It’s not only our reality which enslaves us. The tragedy of our predicament when we are within ideology is that when we think that we escape it into our dreams, at that point we are within ideology."[1] This is a really nice documentary about all the…

I thoroughly enjoy Zizek, and to actually understand him I would recommend reading his work, because the Zizek of cinema or Youtube really is a confusing, tiny glimpse of his thought.

I'll also note that he's pretty unpopular in this forum. He can be pretty brutal to thinkers popular here, such as Steven Pinker. [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugiufHh800&feature=youtu.be...

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...

It's possible to recognize it, just watch old commercials or look at old home videos with clothing and hair styles. Make a list of differences then look for the differences in contemporary terms.

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...

My pet peeve is people who see or read about a single festival in another culture, then talk about how "we have no culture, not like those people over there and their rich one". Yet we still go and see movies, wear certain kinds of fashion, go to sportsball events, celebrate the birth days of those near and dear, participate in office kris kringles, learn to play a particular set of musical instruments, eat out at restaurants, live in nuclear families, argue over how to set the cutlery for a dinner party... so on and so forth.

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...

It's possible to recognize it, just watch old commercials or look at old home videos with clothing and hair styles. Make a list of differences then look for the differences in contemporary terms.

Those are superficial examples. It's things more like social pressures that exist that you may not even be aware of. Acting and thinking in certain ways without fully knowing why.

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Marshall McLuhan once said that the last thing a fish would ever notice in it’s habitat is the water. Likewise, the most obvious and powerful realities of our human culture seem to also be the most unrecognised. http://stoweboyd.com/2013/07/12/marshall-mcluhan-once-said-t...

Like how we never notice air.

Oh wait...

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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"I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology. The material force of ideology makes me not see what I am effectively eating. It’s not only our reality which enslaves us. The tragedy of our predicament when we are within ideology is that when we think that we escape it into our dreams, at that point we are within ideology."[1] This is a really nice documentary about all the…

I thoroughly enjoy Zizek, and to actually understand him I would recommend reading his work, because the Zizek of cinema or Youtube really is a confusing, tiny glimpse of his thought. I'll also note that he's pretty unpopular in this forum. He can be pretty brutal to thinkers popular here, such as Steven Pinker. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugiufHh800&feature=youtu.be...

I wouldn't say he's unpopular around here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Zizek&sort=byPopularity&type=c...

Re: We can't see our culture very well, because we see with it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thoroughly enjoy Zizek, and to actually understand him I would recommend reading his work, because the Zizek of cinema or Youtube really is a confusing, tiny glimpse of his thought. I'll also note that he's pretty unpopular in this forum. He can be pretty brutal to thinkers popular here, such as Steven Pinker. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugiufHh800&feature=youtu.be...

I wouldn't say he's unpopular around here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Zizek&sort=byPopularity&type=c...

Too many entries to sift through if you sort by all time, but I recall him being called a charlatan here, which is what Chomsky once called him (which might explain it).

Otherwise I feel the tech community in general rejects the field of critical theory. I don't think Zizek is just a critical theory guy - he identifies primarily as a scholar of Hegel - but he's certainly the best known among critical/ literary theory types.

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