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Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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One fascinating part of this story is Göran Lambertz, who was chancellor of justice during the trials and is now a supreme court judge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Lambertz He fervently maintains that Quick is indeed guilty, and that there was nothing at all wrong with the proceedings of the justice system. In fact he claims, to this day as far as I know, that the evidence against Quick is "extraordinari…

> So, yeah. I hope I don't ever have to go to court. It's like a mashup of Franz Kafka, Lewis Carroll, and Stephen Colbert. I highly recommend going to a courtroom and just observe a trial. The level of dishonesty, stupidity and incompetence is tremendous. At the jurisdiction where I did that trials have all audio recorded. I saw the judge asking to stop the recording, basically saying out loud that the defendant was…

Why didn't you anonymously leak it?

Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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> So, yeah. I hope I don't ever have to go to court. It's like a mashup of Franz Kafka, Lewis Carroll, and Stephen Colbert. I highly recommend going to a courtroom and just observe a trial. The level of dishonesty, stupidity and incompetence is tremendous. At the jurisdiction where I did that trials have all audio recorded. I saw the judge asking to stop the recording, basically saying out loud that the defendant was…

Why didn't you anonymously leak it?

Because I was identified before getting in and I was the only person not involved in the trial there.

I would be in serious trouble.

That laptop's disk went kaput so eventually I lost it (this might have been 6 years ago).

I did come back but never heard anything that outrageous.

When the judge says "stop recording" my heart sank because I realized that recordings were not an accurate description of what happened there.

Recently I read about a case where a judge convicted a witness, just like that.

Eventually it was overturned but now that judge is at the European Court of Human Rights.

Convicting the witness without an extra trial is far more serious and nothing came out of it...

Edit: Court name was wrong.

Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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post #38
post #6

One fascinating part of this story is Göran Lambertz, who was chancellor of justice during the trials and is now a supreme court judge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Lambertz He fervently maintains that Quick is indeed guilty, and that there was nothing at all wrong with the proceedings of the justice system. In fact he claims, to this day as far as I know, that the evidence against Quick is "extraordinari…

> So, yeah. I hope I don't ever have to go to court. It's like a mashup of Franz Kafka, Lewis Carroll, and Stephen Colbert. I highly recommend going to a courtroom and just observe a trial. The level of dishonesty, stupidity and incompetence is tremendous. At the jurisdiction where I did that trials have all audio recorded. I saw the judge asking to stop the recording, basically saying out loud that the defendant was…

It is amazing that so many societies in the world are able to function well, considering the pathetic nature of their legal systems.

Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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Why don't you, you know, inform me?

Here's some background on the allegations: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-... The final three paragraphs are a pretty good summary of the holes in the story. Timeline: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11949341 Note that between March and August of this year, Swedish prosecutors couldn't be bothered to come to London to question him, allowing most of the charges against him to expire.…

That's pretty informative and clocks with what I know. So much for me being misinformed!

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Swedish drug policy is also seriously unjust, according to the UN's Deputy High Commissioner for Human Rights. http://www.thelocal.se/20151108/un-swedish-drug-policy-viola... > Sweden has one of the EU's most restrictive drug policies, with zero tolerance for drug use and possession. At the same time, the rate of drug-induced deaths is among the highest in the union, and they are on the rise. > [...] Only six out of…

Seems to be needed given how people handle prescription drugs. Way too many people ignore doctors orders and stop taking their prescription drugs once they "feel well" and then they keep it around in case they or someone they know "feels ill".

I don't think that's specific to Sweden, sadly.

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Isn't Sweden the country that was trying to extradite Julian Assange? If their Supreme Court judges can come up with probabilities greater than 100%, then I seriously fear for their justice system!

Hey, at least they're trying to use math! ;) It does make me fear for our justice system, but people are people, and I've realized they're no different anywhere really. The right education can limit our faults but only to a degree. I also believe that the government very likely has been influenced by American lobbying in the Assange case. The U.S. Is Sweden's largest export outside the EU, and obviously a large impor…

If they are using Mathematics to make court judgements (which granted, he's not...but he's still a judicial officer making comments about an going case) then it would behoove him to know that probability can only ever be measured between 0 and 1. That's the most OBVIOUS thing about probability I can imagine!

Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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Why didn't you anonymously leak it?

Because I was identified before getting in and I was the only person not involved in the trial there. I would be in serious trouble. That laptop's disk went kaput so eventually I lost it (this might have been 6 years ago). I did come back but never heard anything that outrageous. When the judge says "stop recording" my heart sank because I realized that recordings were not an accurate description of what happened the…

That can only mean it was Helena Jäderblom. There is only one judge from each country :-) but that's dreadful!

Re: Thomas Quick: The serial killer who wasn't

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Why don't you, you know, inform me?

Here's some background on the allegations: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-... The final three paragraphs are a pretty good summary of the holes in the story. Timeline: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11949341 Note that between March and August of this year, Swedish prosecutors couldn't be bothered to come to London to question him, allowing most of the charges against him to expire.…

Personally I think Assange is a rapist under Swedish law AND that the Swedish state cowed in to US weight, big time, as per parent.
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