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ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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I guess Kipling's knowledge of this had a practical basis, since he was one of the chief apologists for the systematic extortion the British Empire used to enrich itself.

(Note - I am from one of the countries invaded and occupied by Britain) I must come to Britain's defence here - it's behaviour was normal in those times but it did eventually give up most of its "ownership" without actually being defeated in wars. That was pretty amazing. By modern standards, British behaviour was despicable, but a lot of the invaded countries got enormous benefits - rule of law, economic infrastruct…

See also: The life of Brian, 'What have the Romans ever done for us'.

As for Britain giving up its ownership: To this date formally England lays claim to a whole bunch of places that they have colonized and in some cases it has gone to war to keep that situation as it is.

That the UK gave up India is a pretty complex affair but you can bet that the 'let's fight' option was only taken off the table when someone did some basic math.

Whether or not the invaded countries got 'enormous benefits' is immaterial, we do not live in the alternate universe where India was not a British colony, in which universe India may have been better off or it may have been worse, we simply can not know.

All we do know is that in this universe we (nowadays) take a dim view of such colonization, including those colonizations in our collective past. That some countries were 'not as bad' as others and that they left the places they invaded (and usually plundered) in some ways in better shape is imo immaterial to that.

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If victims need to be consistent. When terrorists are shown that they'll either get a bomb through the roof or nothing, but never payment, then they'll change their business plan.

This strategy has worked so well in Israel/Palestine /s.

That's because the situation between Israel and Palestine is a bit more complex than the proponents of that particular strategy in that particular case would like to have you believe.

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It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look impo…

Poems by the man who romanticized the colonization of my grandparents' country are always cool, but the logic doesn't hold up. If you're not as well-armed as the British Empire, and you very much do not have the resources to defeat the Dane, it's nice that the end of the game is oppression and shame, but you're going to lose well before you even get to endgame.

You do realize why the British called it the "dane geld" and not tribute right? Because the Dane used to plounder the English and demand gold to go away, and the English learned to their sorrow what happens when you pay the dane geld.

And I say that as a Dane.

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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>NEVER EVER PAY... you are making the problem larger for others That's true but for the individual payee it can make sense. Trying to get the ransomers back can work. They'll keep at it till they figure they can get harmed.

That's naive. If you pay a ransom they'll be back shortly for more. You've just turned yourself into an ATM for your attackers.

I was thinking in part of the pirate activities off Somalia. Most ship owners were better off paying $1m than losing a boat worth say $50m. The problem seems to have slacked off now and I feel it was more related to firearms being pointed in the direction of the pirates than people not paying. Likewise with Cryptolocker putting Evgeniy Bogachev in jail rather than on various yachts would be a start. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/03/fbi-bus...

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look impo…

Wouldn't this apply the other way around as well? If you become known as a blackmailer who's true to their word, wouldn't your payment rate go up?

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess Kipling's knowledge of this had a practical basis, since he was one of the chief apologists for the systematic extortion the British Empire used to enrich itself.

(Note - I am from one of the countries invaded and occupied by Britain) I must come to Britain's defence here - it's behaviour was normal in those times but it did eventually give up most of its "ownership" without actually being defeated in wars. That was pretty amazing. By modern standards, British behaviour was despicable, but a lot of the invaded countries got enormous benefits - rule of law, economic infrastruct…

Nice to someone with a balanced perspective. Usually you talk to an ex-colonist and it's all doom and gloom regarding the Empire.

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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That's naive. If you pay a ransom they'll be back shortly for more. You've just turned yourself into an ATM for your attackers.

I was thinking in part of the pirate activities off Somalia. Most ship owners were better off paying $1m than losing a boat worth say $50m. The problem seems to have slacked off now and I feel it was more related to firearms being pointed in the direction of the pirates than people not paying. Likewise with Cryptolocker putting Evgeniy Bogachev in jail rather than on various yachts would be a start. http://www.usatod…

This thread is not about pirate activities off Somalia, it is about paying a ransom under threat of DDOS. That's an entirely different thing and strategies that work in one case may or may not work in the other. Case in point: you can shoot at pirates.

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#149

I'm not recommending it, but it should be noted that this does sometimes work as when Kim DotCom paid for the LizardSquad DDOS of XBox and PS4 networks to be halted last Christmas: https://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcom-stops-xbox-and-playstati...

Kim Dotcom gave a gift that could easily be revoked if the attacker had continued attacking. Very different situation to giving cash (or bitcoin).

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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That's naive. If you pay a ransom they'll be back shortly for more. You've just turned yourself into an ATM for your attackers.

as someone who actually did this in their teens, i ddosed someone for 1 day then asked for a couple thousand bucks, but they wouldnt give any so they were ddosed for like 2 weeks. they ended up paying like 750 and i left them alone after that. they ended up losing like 250 grand in sales, could have been prevented by just paying a measly 2

Why admit to major crimes online? Did you miss the Snowden files release?
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