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ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look impo…

Poems by the man who romanticized the colonization of my grandparents' country are always cool, but the logic doesn't hold up. If you're not as well-armed as the British Empire, and you very much do not have the resources to defeat the Dane, it's nice that the end of the game is oppression and shame, but you're going to lose well before you even get to endgame.

If you are talking about India, it wasn't a "country" before the British. It was a mixture of disparate kingdoms and sultanates. Not to mention that before the British, most of India was under Muslim colonizers i.e. the Mughals.

The Indians have always been a conquered people, it is only in the last 70 years that they have had freedom; you should thank the British for it.

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#102
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poems by the man who romanticized the colonization of my grandparents' country are always cool, but the logic doesn't hold up. If you're not as well-armed as the British Empire, and you very much do not have the resources to defeat the Dane, it's nice that the end of the game is oppression and shame, but you're going to lose well before you even get to endgame.

The British created your grandparents' country and you should be thankful to them for it. It was nothing but fortunate for India to have sensible men like Charles James Napier working to put an end to barbarism like Sati: A story for which Napier is often noted involved Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati by British authorities. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral py…

Napier is one of my favorite historical figures, but wasn't sati banned based on the requests of (native) Hindu reformers, and Napier merely spoke in favor of the ban when other Hindu priests complained? It seems like a stretch to argue that it was Napier who worked to put an end to sati.

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

#103
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I think cryptolocker actually decrypted the FS after the ransom was paid. So sometimes it works. Actually, it makes no sense to not follow through because that is their business model.

Let me make a spam analogy: the reason we are drowning in spam is because it works. If even 0.00001% of the spam recipients enters into a financially beneficial relationship with the spammers then everybody will get spammed. The only way spam will go away is if everybody will finally stop responding to spam. So you just simply do not pay extortion fees unless you want to become part of the problem. In the case of an…

The way you make money is by selling spamming services. The sucker is not necessarily the person receiving the spam, it can also be the desperate business owner buying the "campaign".

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

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"This was a collective decision taken by all impacted companies" I think they were put under pressure by other companies using the same IPS, not their customers.

That's even weirder. They have obligations to their customers not to their neighbors in the same DC, that's the territory of whoever handles their hosting.

The datacenter is not going to be happy if they are offline due to attacks targeting one of their customers. The datacenter has an obligation to their customers, and if that means cutting off ProtonMail so that other customers stay online, then that's what the datacenter has to do. Then, ProtonMail is under pressure to pay the ransom fee to avoid having services terminated by the datacenter.

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#105
post #68

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Poems by the man who romanticized the colonization of my grandparents' country are always cool, but the logic doesn't hold up. If you're not as well-armed as the British Empire, and you very much do not have the resources to defeat the Dane, it's nice that the end of the game is oppression and shame, but you're going to lose well before you even get to endgame.

If you are talking about India, it wasn't a "country" before the British. It was a mixture of disparate kingdoms and sultanates. Not to mention that before the British, most of India was under Muslim colonizers i.e. the Mughals. The Indians have always been a conquered people, it is only in the last 70 years that they have had freedom; you should thank the British for it.

The Mughals were not colonizers. The definition of a colony is: "country or area under the full or partial political control of another country". The Mughals were ousted from Central Asia; India was the only country they ruled. So, by definition, they were not colonizers.

India had been ruled by kings who were not originally from India. But, nothing in the history compared to the "loot" of the British (see http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/04/east-india-comp...)

Re: ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway

#106
post #32

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look impo…

Sometimes this is good advice. For some rather vivid counterexamples, read up on Genghis Khan.

Computer security is of course a whole different thing.

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When you are weak, you take what you can get. It was much better to have been colonized by the British, who actually had an interest in nation-building and respect for law and human rights (to the extent they deemed their subjects capable of handling them), than, say, to have become the personal fiefdom of Leopold II of Belgium.

That's a false dichotomy if there ever was one. The alternative to being colonized by the British was not to be colonized by Belgium but not to be colonized at all.

Only if there was a universe in which India would have not have been colonized, which there was not. Ergo, no false dichotomy. They got a pretty good deal, all told.

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#108
post #68

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Poems by the man who romanticized the colonization of my grandparents' country are always cool, but the logic doesn't hold up. If you're not as well-armed as the British Empire, and you very much do not have the resources to defeat the Dane, it's nice that the end of the game is oppression and shame, but you're going to lose well before you even get to endgame.

If you are talking about India, it wasn't a "country" before the British. It was a mixture of disparate kingdoms and sultanates. Not to mention that before the British, most of India was under Muslim colonizers i.e. the Mughals. The Indians have always been a conquered people, it is only in the last 70 years that they have had freedom; you should thank the British for it.

Your comment may be factual, but you could have skipped the "you should be thankful" bit. It's quite a rude thing to say to someone you don't know.

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The British created your grandparents' country and you should be thankful to them for it. It was nothing but fortunate for India to have sensible men like Charles James Napier working to put an end to barbarism like Sati: A story for which Napier is often noted involved Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati by British authorities. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral py…

What you say is true to your name. Take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4

What utter nonsense. Do the Romans likewise owe reparations to the Turks, French, Spanish, and English?

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#110
post #102

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The British created your grandparents' country and you should be thankful to them for it. It was nothing but fortunate for India to have sensible men like Charles James Napier working to put an end to barbarism like Sati: A story for which Napier is often noted involved Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati by British authorities. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral py…

Napier is one of my favorite historical figures, but wasn't sati banned based on the requests of (native) Hindu reformers, and Napier merely spoke in favor of the ban when other Hindu priests complained? It seems like a stretch to argue that it was Napier who worked to put an end to sati.

None of the other sensible men like Napier gave such a pithy and powerful quote on the topic.
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