I dislike how affirmative action has a bad reputation. Affirmative action is not about lowering standards. It's about having a diversified candidate pool. Sounds like Twitter wasn't willing to invest the effort to have a diversified pool. It definitely pays off in the long run, but it takes some effort in the short run. My company sponsors some student groups and encourages engineers to be active in recruiting outsid…
Q&A with the Black Twitter Engineer Who Left Over Diversity Problems
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
The concentration of talent in other schools are lower, so finding the few talents are harder. Hiring costs, and bad hirings cost a lot, so it may be cost effective not to spend a lot hiring from less-than-stellar schools. Of course this is just a hypothesis. No hard data to back it up.
Engineering is actually more like an art than a science. It requires creativity, problem solving ability, lateral thinking and a strategic mindset. People who are purely book smart generally don't excel in these areas. I think targeting top schools alone is a pretty misguided strategy.
What you're thinking of is pretty different than engineering which is essentially applied math.
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#23> There's a document at Twitter that lists the schools that Twitter wants to recruit from. ... It listed Cal, Stanford, CMU, Waterloo, MIT, typical schools like that. > Never listed any state schools. Err... Cal?
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#24> There's a document at Twitter that lists the schools that Twitter wants to recruit from. ... It listed Cal, Stanford, CMU, Waterloo, MIT, typical schools like that. > Never listed any state schools. Err... Cal?
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#25I dislike how affirmative action has a bad reputation. Affirmative action is not about lowering standards. It's about having a diversified candidate pool. Sounds like Twitter wasn't willing to invest the effort to have a diversified pool. It definitely pays off in the long run, but it takes some effort in the short run. My company sponsors some student groups and encourages engineers to be active in recruiting outsid…
If somebody from a disadvantaged group is hired based on having sufficient skill, talent and/or experience for a given job, then affirmative action was not involved. The person was hired based on merit.
But if affirmative action is used to justify the hiring of somebody, it inherently means that they did not have the sufficient skill, talent, and/or experience necessary for the job. The person was hired not based on merit, but based on some other, unrelated factor.
Hiring based on something other than merit automatically means that standards were lowered, or at best they were merely ignored.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes they are at a disadvantage at providing services that cater to the entire world. Which is why Chinese and Japanese sites for example have struggled to extend beyond their own borders.
Well as far as sites go, I think the biggest disadvantage is not focusing on English first rather than the local language. But then there's companies like Nintendo and Sony that are globally successful in spite of their lack of diversity.
Most of Nintendo's failings in the past can actually be traced to where they refused to innovate simply because they followed the Japanese business culture too strictly (where, if your boss tells you to do something, you do it. Otherwise, you don't. And so on). If they had a diversity of ideas, they would likely not be in so much trouble right now.
I am not defending AA, the racial/gender/whichever thing; I'm not talking about that right now. This is simply about the diversity of ideas.
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#27I dislike how affirmative action has a bad reputation. Affirmative action is not about lowering standards. It's about having a diversified candidate pool. Sounds like Twitter wasn't willing to invest the effort to have a diversified pool. It definitely pays off in the long run, but it takes some effort in the short run. My company sponsors some student groups and encourages engineers to be active in recruiting outsid…
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#28He has every right to push forward what he thinks is the right thing. Absolutely, and so does everyone else who wants to bring whomever they want to give advantage to. I should be able to lobby for my friends and my circle and he should be able to lobby for his friends and his circle. And no doubt that their workforce does not mirror society at large. But I think this ignores the percentages of people graduating in d…
Twitter's product design has much more of an editorial influence on what happens with the product than Lenovo's or Nikon's. A closer analogy might be a local newspaper: I absolutely would feel uncomfortable if the entire staff of my newspaper were outsiders to my community, choosing which articles to run and how to lay them out and how to seek writers, even if the writers themselves were people who lived in my community.
But since you brought up cameras, it is worth noting that the answer is yes. HP had an incident a few years ago where its webcams' face-tracking feature just could not track black people. (Competitors, like Dell, were fine.) If they had a nontrivial number of black people writing and testing these cameras in-house, they would probably have noticed this well before their customers did.
Google, a few weeks ago, had an incident where it literally auto-tagged photos of black people as "Gorillas." Again, presumably what happened is that the dogfood users were much more likely to train the algorithm with pictures of gorillas than with pictures of black people.
Twitter, like most consumer-facing software, has its product design influenced by its own developers. If everyone at the company uses Twitter, it's natural to prioritize features based on what they themselves use. (And it's because of this that consumer-facing software is generally plain better than enterprise software; the developers and PMs and testers care more.) Given how much of Twitter's userbase is people using it for protests, from Tahrir Square to #blacklivesmatter, and given how much "Black Twitter" is a thing, it only makes sense to make sure that at least some of their employees in decision-making positions care personally about these use cases of Twitter.
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#30> There's a document at Twitter that lists the schools that Twitter wants to recruit from. This document was penned by Alex Roetter, the Senior VP of engineering. He had his other directors contribute to it, modify it and refine it. It listed Cal, Stanford, CMU, Waterloo, MIT, typical schools like that. Never listed any state schools. Never listed any HBCUs. It listed certain companies and excluded certain companies.…
The concentration of talent in other schools are lower, so finding the few talents are harder. Hiring costs, and bad hirings cost a lot, so it may be cost effective not to spend a lot hiring from less-than-stellar schools. Of course this is just a hypothesis. No hard data to back it up.