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Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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Making a business out of open source is hard. Especially for front-end related stuff. I think it's much easier to build a business around backend technologies - On the backend, there are more opportunities for things like enterprise plugins and integrations (as-a-service).

Also the frontend space is insanely competitive. There are a lot of really good frontend frameworks that most people have never heard of.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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I never understood how they could claim "this is not html5" and "we have a direct conversation with the GPU", when it appears to be just a bunch of s with style="transform:matrix3d(0,1,2...)"?

Steve said a lot of things that smelled _way_ off to anyone technical. I remember calling him out on that specific "this isn't html5" line he liked to parrot years ago.

He either knew he was bullshitting, or he didn't have enough technical understanding to actually understand his own platform, and if pushed on anything remotely technical, he'd basically just throw his cofounder into the ring to overwhelm everyone with the (admittedly very clever) optimizations they were doing at their rendering layer.

I ran _fast_ the other direction, the whole thing gave off a horrible vibe.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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A non sequitur. I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. I didn't comment on the company at all (the company is clearly in the dumps).

> I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. Just because you said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office doesn't mean others agree. Outside of bubbleland, most people are going to struggle to understand why the CEO of a company that almost certainly doesn't have a cent of profit spent any time whatsoever thinking about how he could avoid "boring noise panels." "Why…

My god, it might have cost thousands (THOUSANDS!!!) of dollars to install some noise panels on the ceiling to cut down on noise.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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3D GUIs are a lot like graphical programming. Just a giant black hole that has been sucking up research and investment money for 30 years without much to show. You do get some neat demos, but not a lot else.

The game industry has been using 3D GUIs and graphical programming successfully for years. Graphical programming is also popular in some other fields (MaxMSP for audio visual, labview).

Which reinforces the point, 3D GUIs are a lot of fun but not very productive. In my workflow at my day job I want fewer GUI interactions and more production. AutoHotKey and 5 tonne overhead cranes help a lot, 3D GUIs not so much.

I won't discount the possibility that there will be some future problem that will be solved by a 3D GUI, perhaps astrogation.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #54

I will never understand how startups like this get money with such incompetent leadership. Look at how this Famo.us office tour showcases the waste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imc1p_laIt4

I've always disliked Techcrunch but I'm starting to realize how valuable their "Cribs" series is. They have the very best documentation of a dying culture of spoiled founders aimlessly running startups like a daycare for adults. I wonder how much longer people are going to be pulling this off for. Investors need to wise up and start giving their money to people who are mature enough to be modest and efficient with th…

Do investors really need to 'wise up' as you say? It seems to me that they are quite tolerant of this type of thing, because it's cost effective in the end. They're searching for billion dollar unicorns, the diamonds in the rough, and they have to launch hundreds of startups to get them. That requires a lot of young engineers willing to work for ramen and stock options. The perks required to bait them are a modest expense in the grand scheme of things.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #54

I will never understand how startups like this get money with such incompetent leadership. Look at how this Famo.us office tour showcases the waste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imc1p_laIt4

While I find the majority of that video as absurd as everyone else (it seemed like something out of Mike Judge/HBO's "Silicon Valley") I have to admit the Lego burn down project tracking board thingy was pretty cool.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #93

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Sorry but I try out servo EVERY day and it will take a long time until this will be stable. It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant. It misses a lot of CSS2.1, CSS3 and JavaScript feature's. Static sites working better and better (and are way way faster than firefox). However I think that servo is the right step, however I just think that it should have more people so that the Innovation could be faster.

> It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant Huh? Servo has passed Acid1 and Acid2 for, like, a year now. Servo doesn't pass Acid3, of course (although neither does Firefox anymore!). I mean, I'm not going to claim that Servo is by any means Web compatible yet, primarily due to a long list of bugs and incompletely-implemented features. In terms of feature checklists, though, there's a lot done.

It's not, passing most of the times.

It's unstable. That doesn't mean thats bad.

And Firefox is passing Acid3. And always did.

I mean ACID1 and ACID2 failures are mostly regression that getting fixed a day after but still its not roughly stable.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #93

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Sorry but I try out servo EVERY day and it will take a long time until this will be stable. It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant. It misses a lot of CSS2.1, CSS3 and JavaScript feature's. Static sites working better and better (and are way way faster than firefox). However I think that servo is the right step, however I just think that it should have more people so that the Innovation could be faster.

> I try out servo EVERY day Cool, thanks for helping out! I hope you're helping them by reporting bugs when you find them. > it will take a long time until this will be stable Sure, it's a WIP. That's to be expected. Expecting otherwise is unrealistic. > It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant https://blog.mozilla.org/research/2014/04/17/another-big-mil... > and JavaScript feature's Maybe DOM bindings, but Servo ships…

Currently we are not testing against our application always, but I sometime try it out and its working aweful.

also on acid2 i get different results every day/week. sometimes i'm good somtimes not.

Yeah servo gets more support, i still think it takes at least another year (or more) to ship it.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #137

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> It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant Huh? Servo has passed Acid1 and Acid2 for, like, a year now. Servo doesn't pass Acid3, of course (although neither does Firefox anymore!). I mean, I'm not going to claim that Servo is by any means Web compatible yet, primarily due to a long list of bugs and incompletely-implemented features. In terms of feature checklists, though, there's a lot done.

It's not, passing most of the times. It's unstable. That doesn't mean thats bad. And Firefox is passing Acid3. And always did. I mean ACID1 and ACID2 failures are mostly regression that getting fixed a day after but still its not roughly stable.

> It's not, passing most of the times.

Acid1 and Acid2 are reftests. The CI system ensures they continue to pass on every commit. Commits are not merged if they break the Acid tests.

> And Firefox is passing Acid3. And always did.

No, it didn't always pass it. Acid3 didn't even exist when Firefox first came on the scene.

Firefox scores 99/100 for me.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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post #133

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> I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. Just because you said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office doesn't mean others agree. Outside of bubbleland, most people are going to struggle to understand why the CEO of a company that almost certainly doesn't have a cent of profit spent any time whatsoever thinking about how he could avoid "boring noise panels." "Why…

My god, it might have cost thousands (THOUSANDS!!!) of dollars to install some noise panels on the ceiling to cut down on noise.

It doesn't matter how much it cost. It's about priorities. If you watch the video and get the sense that this company's founder has his priorities straight, maybe you can chip in and buy the next set of panels.

On second thought, it appears that the office is going to be pretty quiet soon enough.

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