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Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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Just wait until you see what Servo can do. Parallel layout is sick. https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Design#strategies-for-pa...

Sorry but I try out servo EVERY day and it will take a long time until this will be stable. It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant. It misses a lot of CSS2.1, CSS3 and JavaScript feature's. Static sites working better and better (and are way way faster than firefox). However I think that servo is the right step, however I just think that it should have more people so that the Innovation could be faster.

> It's not ACID1, ACID2, ACID3 compliant

Huh? Servo has passed Acid1 and Acid2 for, like, a year now. Servo doesn't pass Acid3, of course (although neither does Firefox anymore!).

I mean, I'm not going to claim that Servo is by any means Web compatible yet, primarily due to a long list of bugs and incompletely-implemented features. In terms of feature checklists, though, there's a lot done.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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I seriously get the feeling people are just looking for any excuse to criticize Famous. I don't see what's wrong with their office. What's objectionable? A couple of $5 nerf guns? A cheap Lego board for project tracking? Or is it the fact that people aren't packed in as tight as they are at a place like Facebook (which is ironically something people on HN love to criticize)? The crappy makeshift studio they have? Ser…

Yeah, I don't see what's wrong either. The CEO is a fantastic interior designer. And his LinkedIn self-summary[1] is a real piece of art in its own right. I find it hard to believe any of what this former employee wrote[2]. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenewcomb [2] http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/06/nopen-source/?fb_comment_id...

A non sequitur. I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. I didn't comment on the company at all (the company is clearly in the dumps).

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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Yeah, I don't see what's wrong either. The CEO is a fantastic interior designer. And his LinkedIn self-summary[1] is a real piece of art in its own right. I find it hard to believe any of what this former employee wrote[2]. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenewcomb [2] http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/06/nopen-source/?fb_comment_id...

A non sequitur. I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. I didn't comment on the company at all (the company is clearly in the dumps).

> I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office.

Just because you said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office doesn't mean others agree. Outside of bubbleland, most people are going to struggle to understand why the CEO of a company that almost certainly doesn't have a cent of profit spent any time whatsoever thinking about how he could avoid "boring noise panels."

"Why not make this a piece of art as well on the ceiling?" Really?

When will folks learn[1]?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9778832

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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A non sequitur. I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. I didn't comment on the company at all (the company is clearly in the dumps).

> I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. Just because you said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office doesn't mean others agree. Outside of bubbleland, most people are going to struggle to understand why the CEO of a company that almost certainly doesn't have a cent of profit spent any time whatsoever thinking about how he could avoid "boring noise panels." "Why…

And you know it was he who personally spent his time buying those noise panels (and not, say, the office manager) because...?

My broader point is people are just trying to find any excuse to uncharitably interpret anything just so they can to crap on the company.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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> I said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office. Just because you said there's nothing wrong or particularly wasteful with the office doesn't mean others agree. Outside of bubbleland, most people are going to struggle to understand why the CEO of a company that almost certainly doesn't have a cent of profit spent any time whatsoever thinking about how he could avoid "boring noise panels." "Why…

And you know it was he who personally spent his time buying those noise panels (and not, say, the office manager) because...? My broader point is people are just trying to find any excuse to uncharitably interpret anything just so they can to crap on the company.

"One of the things I wanted to sort of like inspire people with that worked here is you always feel beautiful while you're here." Those are the words of the chief interior designer himself.

Bottom line: this company crapped on itself. You're deluding yourself if you truly believe office managers are driving decisions to waste time and money on stupid sh*t like beautiful noise panels.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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  > Newcomb describes it as “one of the toughest decisions I’ve ever had to
  > make because it meant letting go of some people.” Stressing the firings
  > weren’t easy for him. “Before I made the decision, I drove scar from San
  > Francisco to Baltimore and back to think it through,” he explains. “I took
  > eight days.”
I have fired people. It is brutal. I have been fired. It's worse. So managers, please: Never solicit sympathy for the pain of firing people.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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Hey all. I was the second engineer at famo.us and was later chief architect. I have many stories, but I won't go into any of them :-) If you were interested in the library and are sad that this pivot means it won't be supported, I want to mention there is ongoing work in the OSS community outside the company supporting the pre-pivot vision. I've personally been working on a fork called samsaraJS ( http://samsaraJS.or…

I don't understand, I thought Famo.us was a startup along the lines of Meteor--both passionately committed to a vision for the future of javascript/web development, both having raised the around same amount of money ($30 million).

I'm kidding--how could that be true when Famo.us was started by essentially a non-coder who touted his jQuery skills to falsely (and naively) present as though he was a coder. Did Steve even write a line of code. A startup this technical needs a super coder at the helm. In short, it should have been obvious to us outsiders that Famo.us was about nothing more than its unsuccessfully self-referential and self-serving name, "Fame."

Like many, I bought into it though. I mean--minus the hype-style marketing that should have been a clear warning that this company is not to be trusted--they did clearly assert their vision: to kill the Native Problem for javascript developers.

The fact that Steve was more concerned about money and making one of those type of startups, rather than hunker down with a small team and get a focused job done like the Meteor team has, astounds me. It's basically an outrage. How about hire a smaller team and not send them on wild goose hunts building stuff beyond the core vision. It's typical startup nonsense where inexperienced non-technical founders want to build the world and don't grasp the importance of focusing on a true MVP. I don't care that he was--i think--the #3 guy at Powerset, or that he kinda can code. From the looks of how busy he was at all the Famo.us marketing side of things, there's no way that guy was leading an engineering team--i.e. the only way this sort of grand vision could ever be accomplished.

The messed up part is that what they finally released at the end seemed to be on point with what we need. The interface is on point. It's a great start at least. Had they been more focused they could have arrived their earlier. And then they could have stuck to their guns and stuck it out until their framework got an actual following. But they never got a following, and therefore (combined with his needs for Fame and Money) Steve felt the need to pivot. Had they had any semblance of a following/userbase, this wouldn't have happened. Seen this happen so many times. You know, get that fire burning under your initial small group of passionate customers like kindling, like Paul Graham always says. They certainly had the perfect marketing pitch to do it.

All they had to do was take the vision to the bitter end like I hope Infamous.io or SamsaraJS does. For a while, as an outsider, I just figured they were suffering because the technology wasn't in fact possible. I.e. they couldn't truly get the performance needed for production apps. That they fell apart for any other reason is scandalous.

I wish the best to anyone picking up their codebase. We still need this stuff!

SMH.

Re: Famo.us pivots, fires 20 employees

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> Newcomb describes it as “one of the toughest decisions I’ve ever had to > make because it meant letting go of some people.” Stressing the firings > weren’t easy for him. “Before I made the decision, I drove scar from San > Francisco to Baltimore and back to think it through,” he explains. “I took > eight days.” I have fired people. It is brutal. I have been fired. It's worse. So managers, please: Never solicit symp…

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