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It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/148.Holmes.Keith.Contac... is probably the most advanced current geoengineering proposal currently; the estimated cost is US$60 per tonne of CO₂ removed, proposing to spend C$140M to construct a facility that removes 1 megatonne of CO₂ per year. (One of the authors constructed a small-scale prototype a few years earlier.) If this is correct, a facility to remove all of the 29 bill…

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Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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We are already removing carbon from the atmosphere at industrial scale, 550,000 tonnes per year with bio-energy with carbon capture and storage [1].

We can get a lot better at this, with engineered simple organisms like algae growing fuel to be consumed and the carbon captured.

“If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO2 will need to be reduced from [current levels] to at most 350 ppm.”

Dr. James Hansen

Right now we are at 398 ppm, and we are already seeing weird climate effects, more, bigger wild fires etc.. I don't think the modern, developed world will tolerate 450 ppm. Things will get too weird.

I think we will be forced to capture carbon.

> a facility to remove all of the 29 billion tonnes of CO₂ emitted by human activities annually would cost C$4 trillion to build

We will get these costs down, but to me, even 4 trillion looks downright affordable, the US spent that much invading and occupying Iraq.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-energy_with_carbon_capture...

Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/148.Holmes.Keith.Contac... is probably the most advanced current geoengineering proposal currently; the estimated cost is US$60 per tonne of CO₂ removed, proposing to spend C$140M to construct a facility that removes 1 megatonne of CO₂ per year. (One of the authors constructed a small-scale prototype a few years earlier.) If this is correct, a facility to remove all of the 29 bill…

The cheaper geoengineering proposal is emission of sulfur particles into the stratosphere - i.e., the sunlight reflecting portion of a volcano. I don't recall the cost estimates, but they were drastically lower than $4T.

Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/148.Holmes.Keith.Contac... is probably the most advanced current geoengineering proposal currently; the estimated cost is US$60 per tonne of CO₂ removed, proposing to spend C$140M to construct a facility that removes 1 megatonne of CO₂ per year. (One of the authors constructed a small-scale prototype a few years earlier.) If this is correct, a facility to remove all of the 29 bill…

> [...]  it's a project of a size comparable to the entire existing energy industry, so it would need to be supported by the full influence of the current Establishment. It clearly cannot be done as a market-driven project.

Those two things are not exclusive. The `Establishment' needs to set up the regulation and incentives right (eg a proper price for carbon), and then the market can get to work.

Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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http://keith.seas.harvard.edu/papers/148.Holmes.Keith.Contac... is probably the most advanced current geoengineering proposal currently; the estimated cost is US$60 per tonne of CO₂ removed, proposing to spend C$140M to construct a facility that removes 1 megatonne of CO₂ per year. (One of the authors constructed a small-scale prototype a few years earlier.) If this is correct, a facility to remove all of the 29 bill…

The cheaper geoengineering proposal is emission of sulfur particles into the stratosphere - i.e., the sunlight reflecting portion of a volcano. I don't recall the cost estimates, but they were drastically lower than $4T.

You mean sulfate — the sulfur in the volcano oxidizes when it hits air at lava temperatures, if it wasn't oxidized already. That's what I was referring to with "stratospheric acid". It's true that it would be cheaper, but we're talking about the equivalent of one Krakatoa eruption every couple of years, for centuries. Nothing like that has happened since the advent of life on earth, so although it might work and be safe, or it might have unexpected and undesired effects, for example due to sulfuric acid in rain.

Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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> The atmosphere is becoming a greenhouse. The surface of our planet is now warming, with unpredictable consequences. Our planet would be frozen solid if it weren't a greenhouse ;)

I heavily suspect that is the case. Our climate depends on more than just sun patterns.

Historical record show Golf current supplies heat to Europe. Once that fails instant ice age tends to start. With increased temperature, ice cap melt and salinity of water drops, which causes Golf current to stop.

Re: It's Time to Start Talking About Geoengineering

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The reason geoengineering scares me: https://xkcd.com/349/

if it makes you feel any better, the status quo is implicitly geoengineering the planet in a particularly stupid way.

So instead of stop doing the stupid things, we should instead do another stupid thing. Hoping that stupid cancels itself?
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