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I found my father living on the street

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Re: I found my father living on the street

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Couldn't the same thing be done by a wristband with just a shortened weblink. The advantage is you could update the website and the link could be engraved on the wristband.

tatoo a url ;-)

Surely a tatooed QR code would be the modern day equivalent!

Re: I found my father living on the street

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What kind of society lets a mentally ill man roam the streets, deteriorating, instead of institutionalising him and helping him recover?

Unfortunately you would be amazed and ashamed. In the USA it's estimated that one third of the homeless people suffer a serious mental illness. I live in the Netherlands and I think the numbers are the same here. Ofcourse there is help but most homeless people move around a lot so it can be difficult to track them and help them. Also: having worked with homeless people I know for sure they will get some kind of menta…

>> I live in the Netherlands and I think the numbers are the same here.

80% of the homeless in the Netherlands suffer from mental illnesses. Source (in Dutch): http://www.ontmoeting.org/dak_thuislozen I guess the explanation for the difference is that the social security system in the Netherlands is better, so there's less chance for ending up in the street when you lose your job.

Re: I found my father living on the street

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What kind of society lets a mentally ill man roam the streets, deteriorating, instead of institutionalising him and helping him recover?

Forcibly institutionalizing people is not a panacea.

No, but it's worth considering that when this man ended up in the hospital for a physical ailment they started treating him. That, and his daughter, were enough to bring him back.

If he were to have been hospitalized, not institutionalized, I wonder if the outcome were the same.

Our society assumes mental illness is totally different from physical illness, but in cases like schizophrenia the treatment ends up being very similar. You take your pills and see a doctor. If he had the flu and had suddenly taken a turn for the worse, the discussion wouldn't have been about institutionalization. He would have received treatment in a hospital and then been discharged as soon as possible.

Re: I found my father living on the street

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Mentally ill persons enjoy the same rights that other citizens enjoy and have their own free will. As long as a person didn't commit any crime and is no risk to society or oneself you cannot institutionalize him or her. In any case I would refrain from making such broad generalizations about a society. Some societies prefer strong individual rights and others prefer a strong state that tells them what to do.

I doubled a mentally ill person has anything resembling "free will"...

You can very objectively prove that a person is missing a limb but often you cannot prove that a person is mentally ill.

Often persons will be categorized as mentally ill just because they deviate in their beliefs or lifestyle from the mainstream culture.

And yes, mentally ill persons HAVE a free will, don't tell me they don't as this would be equal to declaring that they are not human beings but just a lump of meat.

They have feelings, desires and goals like anyone else, it's just that these in some cases may be very different from yours or mine.

Re: I found my father living on the street

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Many mentally ill people are still in a position where they can still make decisions for themselves, but their illness means that they choose things that are ostensibly bad for them eg refusing help to get off the streets, help with addiction, stopping them committing suicide, etc. That means society has to decide between forcing people to do things against their will or respecting their decision even though it's wha…

In fact, the absolute worst thing you can do with someone whose still "fighting" is to institutionalise them. Once you label and stigmatise them that way, they tend to give up fighting, and whatever benefit they were to society, even in a limited capacity, is then lost. You want them to keep fighting.

This is why I think mobile vehicles that visit the homeless (for medical, dental, showers, food) are just so brilliant and wonderful.

Re: I found my father living on the street

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What kind of society lets a mentally ill man roam the streets, deteriorating, instead of institutionalising him and helping him recover?

On my darker days I sometimes think we live in a hell-on-earth. In our fiction we describe whole worlds where the Damned are left to shamble around and fend for themselves, cut off from the warmth of humanity. We depict hell as a plane of the existence where the Lost are cut off from all that is right and good in the world, pitched overboard into un-ending darkness and despair. It's hard not to draw parallels.

Well maybe if we stopped declaring people Useless or Sinners and deliberately pitching them overboard...

Re: I found my father living on the street

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What kind of society lets a mentally ill man roam the streets, deteriorating, instead of institutionalising him and helping him recover?

> What kind of society lets a mentally ill man roam the streets, deteriorating, instead of institutionalising him and helping him recover?

What gives you the authority to institutionalize him?

This isn't a snide question. It's a very difficult question that leads to a whole raft of difficult questions.

How do you force a person to take their medication? Why should you do it for this particular person but not that particular person? Who is responsible for the cost of doing so?

Re: I found my father living on the street

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There's an idea by the writer, almost lost in the article, that I thought is brilliant: "When he was in hospital without any documents or ID I came up with the idea of medical bracelets for homeless people. I bought about 100 waterproof USB wristbands which can hold important information and I've given away about 60 so far." There are any number of people made homeless through mental illness. They are often lost in t…

Couldn't the same thing be done by a wristband with just a shortened weblink. The advantage is you could update the website and the link could be engraved on the wristband.

I'd have thought a wristband would be too easy to damage/remove - especially if they become indicators of people in that kind of situation. Similarly I think things like tattoos or embedded chips are spectacularly bad ideas - for all manner of reasons.

Maybe retina scans or something like that?

Re: I found my father living on the street

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tatoo a url ;-)

Well not to Godwin the thread I think that might be taking things a bit too far.

You're Godwinning it pretty hard. Do you have a more lucid and less Godwinny argument than "well, Hitler!" ?
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