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Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #9

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It's never about what the laws say, but rather about who interprets the laws.

I've always hated that a "law" can be interpreted really.

That's the nature of communication. There can be no communication without interpretation.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never about what the laws say, but rather about who interprets the laws.

I've always hated that a "law" can be interpreted really.

Not possible for it to be otherwise. Also, not desirable.

The law is not like an OS that society runs on, that's a very dangerous but sadly pervasive idea. The law is a tool that society uses for its own betterment, hopefully in the service of justice and liberty.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #6

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As far as I'm aware that phrase isn't anywhere in the US constitution -- just the Declaration of Independence. It doesn't have any legal force. The phrase "el libre desarrollo de la personalidad" however is present in the Mexican constitution, although in its context it isn't clear to me how it applies.

True, but people still basically accept it as a canonical element of American philosophy and believe it should be used to justify governmental actions. The Constitution contains the very similar phrase "promote the general welfare".

Sorry, HN is full of morons who like to downvote.

The Declaration of Independence has indeed been cited by the Supreme Court to give evidence of the intent of the drafters of the Constitution, where the phrasing in the Constitution is ambiguous. So you are perfectly correct.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always hated that a "law" can be interpreted really.

That's the nature of communication. There can be no communication without interpretation.

We do have some separation between eval (legislative) and apply (executive) though, but that mostly only works for a few things like presidential pardons.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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> The move potentially puts Mexico at the forefront of an international movement to decriminalize drugs – despite a decade-long militarized crackdown on drug cartels which has cost the lives of around 100,000 people.

This is a sane and direct response to exactly that.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never about what the laws say, but rather about who interprets the laws.

I've always hated that a "law" can be interpreted really.

Without it, our Constitution would be almost worthless. Segregation was brought down by the Interstate Commerce Clause!

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always hated that a "law" can be interpreted really.

Without it, our Constitution would be almost worthless. Segregation was brought down by the Interstate Commerce Clause!

I would argue that the ICC is something that seriously diminishes the Constitution, as the courts have applied such tortured logic so as to allow the federal government to regulate virtually anything.

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #2

>"In a 4-1 ruling, the court found that prohibitions on using marijuana violated the 'right to the free development of personality'" Perhaps that is out of context, and I don't know their constitution as a whole, but I am not finding a lot of sense in that sentence. If drug use can be considered a "right to the free development of personality", then how else could America's "right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of…

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Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #2

>"In a 4-1 ruling, the court found that prohibitions on using marijuana violated the 'right to the free development of personality'" Perhaps that is out of context, and I don't know their constitution as a whole, but I am not finding a lot of sense in that sentence. If drug use can be considered a "right to the free development of personality", then how else could America's "right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of…

The Declaration of Independence, where that phrase comes from, is basically marketing bullshit. It's full of rhetorical flourish that Jefferson got away with precisely because it has no legal significance. After all, that same document says that "all men are created equal" while the Constitution enshrined the institution of slavery for another few generations.

The closest analogue in the Constituon is the idea that due process protects those fundamental rights inherent in "ordered liberty."

Re: Mexico supreme court rules ban on marijuana use unconstitutional

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without it, our Constitution would be almost worthless. Segregation was brought down by the Interstate Commerce Clause!

I would argue that the ICC is something that seriously diminishes the Constitution, as the courts have applied such tortured logic so as to allow the federal government to regulate virtually anything.

I personally think the Constitution should be thrown out and start over. It's an archaic document reflecting a radically different society.

Some love to treat it as sacred, but if it's so sacred how come we've had to amend it so much? Though come to think of it I wouldn't mind a few amendments to the Bible and Koran.

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