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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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post #64

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Note how RedHat didn't say that: if you read the actual article (despite being from InfoWorld): > InfoWorld: Microsoft has a close business relationship with Suse Linux. That seems to be Microsoft's Linux of choice, and the company doesn't seem interested in having the same kind of partnership with Red Hat. Is that a problem for Red Hat? > Jim Whitehurst: We'd be happy to work on interoperability with Microsoft or an…

I know Microsoft pretty well, and it would have wanted to support as many versions as possible, within the available time-frame. It obviously didn't just support SuSE, so your implied either/or is just yet more of your spin. I don't know Red Hat that well (it's a few years since we've talked), but it has a strong focus on its own cloud business (1). It might have seen Azure as a rival to Red Hat cloud services, but t…

> I know Microsoft pretty well, and it would have wanted to support as many versions as possible

That's nice to know and I'm sure everyone always means well, but it doesn't change anything in factual terms. I don't know Red Hat but I'm sure they'd like to support as many cloud services as possible.

> It obviously didn't just support SuSE, so your implied either/or is just yet more of your spin.

Dude, honestly, I'm only reading what you linked, with InfoWorld saying MS had a preferential agreement with SuSE. I didn't link that, you did; if it doesn't agree with your view, why did you link it?

Your first list had SuSE (twice), CentOS and Ubuntu, and again I took it at face value, so I don't think I implied anything.

I have no horse in this, no investment, nothing; I just don't like unsupported bias. Can you say the same?

> It might have seen Azure as a rival to Red Hat cloud services

Sure, exactly like Microsoft might have seen Red Hat as a rival to Windows Server in the cloud.

> but that's just my speculation.

Yes, it is "just your speculation". That's what I said, and why I responded to your initial comment. Maybe because of insider knowledge you might have, you're interpreting facts in a somewhat biased view. That's fine, but you cannot assume everyone shares this particular view of the facts and spin it as an absolute truth.

IMHO we've said everything that needed to be said so we might as well close it here.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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For me, this piece was the most interesting:

"Collaboration on .NET for a new generation of application development capabilities, providing access to .NET technologies across Red Hat offerings, including OpenShift and Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which will be available within the next few weeks."

Further development of .NET as cross-platform, not just Windows-based? That could bode well for the stack.

I doubt I'll ever write .NET code again, but this seems like a sensible decision to me.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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post #51

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I'm getting approximately the same CPU & storage performance out of Azure's A0 machine w/Debian8, as from AWS t2.micro instance with spinning rust storage and Debian8 (both are cheapest offer available, and price is quite similar between them). Network on Azure though is a totally wrecked thing: - A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); - If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to…

Hi aexaey, There are some things wrong on your comment, please let me comment on them: I don't think A0 are capped at all, I don't know where did you get that: user@A0VM:~$ speedtest-cli Retrieving speedtest.net configuration... Retrieving speedtest.net server list... Testing from Microsoft Corporation (40.113.XX.XX)... Selecting best server based on latency... Hosted by KsFiberNet (Wichita, KS) [45.26 km]: 139.703 m…

ILPIP look promising. I'll try it, thanks!

Speed test though... hm... 22Mbit/s is not exactly unrestricted, plus not sure how long is the burst that "speedtest-cli" makes. In my experience A0's uplink is burstable (but unusably slow when recovering from a burst), with long-term average being bang-on 5Mbps.

I do of course see exactly one "my" private IP in traceroute, but I'm not talking about that. I meant there are microsoft's private IPs (#12-#15) and dropped packets (#16 and on).

And of course, "platform doesn't forward ICMPs" is an annoyance in itself - i can't even ping my own VM.

    # target IP anonymized, but still have enough granularity to reproduce the traceroute
    traceroute to xxxxx.cloudapp.net (191.235.128.128), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
     1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  0.093 ms  0.117 ms  0.063 ms
     2  193.47.232.12 (193.47.232.12)  0.785 ms  0.785 ms  0.776 ms
     3  microsoft.mix-it.net (217.29.66.112)  1.219 ms  1.233 ms  1.225 ms
     4  xe-0-1-1-0.fra-96cbe-1a.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.42.12)  8.700 ms  8.902 ms  8.430 ms
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     7  104.44.9.142 (104.44.9.142)  42.112 ms  39.194 ms  38.987 ms
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     9  be-6-0.ibr01.dub30.network.microsoft.com (104.44.4.142)  39.738 ms  38.266 ms  38.929 ms
    10  * * *
    11  ae2-0.db3-96c-3b.ntwk.msn.net (204.152.141.81)  36.986 ms  36.984 ms  36.925 ms
    12  25.149.64.247 (25.149.64.247)  36.951 ms  36.775 ms  37.152 ms
    13  10.10.132.81 (10.10.132.81)  36.917 ms  37.477 ms  37.287 ms
    14  10.60.31.77 (10.60.31.77)  37.317 ms  37.699 ms  37.899 ms
    15  10.60.31.69 (10.60.31.69)  37.653 ms  37.326 ms  37.441 ms
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P.S. #12 - lol!

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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You may be right, I don't know. I suppose the acid test is when YC companies start posting for front-end developers with C#, .NET and UNIX experience versus what's required today, i.e. either node.js, django, ruby, etc.

No, the acid test is if the big companies that have invested heavily into java start to adopt .net in meaningful ways.

Well, if they've got large existing Java codebases, I suspect the chance of the enterprise crowd investing in any new language is roughly zero.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Microsoft did a partnership like this before with Apple (Microsoft Office) but it didn't turn out so well for Apple. Wondering what the outcome would be like with Satya in the driver's seat.

A better comparison would be a situation where Microsoft partnered with a company over an operating system... Like IBM with OS/2 which turned out great, right? haha Or let's look at when Microsoft partnered with Novell: http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-nov... The byline from that article is classic! "Former software foes pledge to work together to help Windows world and Linux world interoperat…

Thanks for all the examples where Microsoft pulled a Trojan. I totally agree. If Win32 embraces the Linux kernel calls to make Docker work without virtualization, is there a possible Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish plan? Or are businesses smart enough to avoid a repeat of ActiveX?

Microsoft made a pact with Sun back in the day where they would support Java. If memory serves, Microsoft supported a Java that only worked on Win32 using J/Direct calls that natively supported Win32 instead of being OS independent like most Java apps.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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post #127

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> Ubuntu was made the default instance on EC2 Citation needed. If Amazon Linux is still the default, you're wrong. It is based on CentOS, uses RPMs and yum.

I thought that was common knowledge? Amazon Linux is now the default instance, but that was not always the case. Ubuntu enjoyed a huge uptick in "cloud" usage because of EC2.

Amazon Linux is not based on Ubuntu.

(And I edited my comment since the wording was unclear... sorry if that caused confusion)

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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That's really a weird way of thinking about it. As something like Dropwizard demonstrates, it's a very good base for a web framework. Take Spring's routing, if you prefer, even that is better.

Why is weird? you do spect that Spring MVC gives you a full Restful experience?, it can give you a good REST experience, but is not for that, the same case with ASP.NET MVC is not spected to give a premier example is RESTFul services that is why Web API exists, and as someone who has used both, Java and .NET, I can tell you that Web API is simpler and as powerfull.

It's weird because there is no good reason to force you to use a different routing system in order to use REST routing. It's especially surprising considering how Rails-inspired it is otherwise.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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I remember when Microsoft teamed up with IBM on OS/2, so I'd predict that Microsoft comes out with its own brand of Linux within 5 years. That will give them time to learn what they need to include/exclude and support.

In the late 1980s, Microsoft's version of Unix, Xenix, was installed on more machines than any other version of Unix.

Radio Shack sold Tandy HD machines running Xenix to business customers. In fact, Radio Shack stores themselves used a POS system running Xenix, up until the mid 1990s at least.

Microsoft sold Xenix to SCO in 1987.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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post #120
post #88

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Ubuntu rules cloud instances elsewhere? I almost always see the choices as CentOS or RedHat. But that might be my myopic view cause I am always just looking for those right off the bat.

CentOS / RHEL are non-starters for cutting edge work in machine learning due to their ancient mathematics and scientific libraries

Almost everything else is a non-starter in commercial settings because of their lack of credible support contracts.
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