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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by mercurial »

apalmer wrote: post #74
mercurial wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C# is a decent language if you like imperative programing. .NET MVC, though, is far from impressive. The routing is crap, Razor is designed to encourage you to dump C# straight into your views, and in general it feels like a "let's do Rails in C#", which I really don't see as the future of web development.

C# and .Net the framework is objectively 'good'. ASP.Net MVC, is very subjective. It definitely is very 'weird' from the perspective of being on a static language platform but embracing 'magic' over standard type safety. I will give you routing though, i dont really think it 'sucks' but i have lead development teams using MVC for years... whenever a new developer who isnt familiar comes on board, the most significant…

It's not a problem of learning curve, it's that when you come from something like Jersey, it feels very limited.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by riskable »

jasonjei wrote: post #56

Microsoft did a partnership like this before with Apple (Microsoft Office) but it didn't turn out so well for Apple. Wondering what the outcome would be like with Satya in the driver's seat.

A better comparison would be a situation where Microsoft partnered with a company over an operating system... Like IBM with OS/2 which turned out great, right? haha

Or let's look at when Microsoft partnered with Novell:

http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-nov...

The byline from that article is classic! "Former software foes pledge to work together to help Windows world and Linux world interoperate."

Turned out great for Novell, right? Hah! Does anyone use SuSE anymore? It's market is so tiny it's hard to find statistics for it.

Other fun Microsoft partnerships: Nokia, Barnes & Noble, Best Buy, Yahoo, Nortel, Sendo, and probably dozens of smaller companies that came & went or are but a fraction of their former selves.

A more interesting thing to track: How is the partnership with Microsoft working out for Docker? I'm really curious what the heck Microsoft is going to do in the next version of Windows Server to actually support realistic containerization.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by balakk »

thebouv wrote: post #88
baldfat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure has been mostly Linux Applications for a while now. Whenever Enterprise wants a contract they almost exclusively think Red Hat. So this makes sense for both of them to team up.I also don't see any fallout in the community because of this. Since Ubuntu ruling the cloud instances this also makes sense for Red Hat.

Ubuntu rules cloud instances elsewhere? I almost always see the choices as CentOS or RedHat. But that might be my myopic view cause I am always just looking for those right off the bat.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-linux-continues-to-rule-...

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by scholia »

mtgx wrote: post #65

Considering fewer enterprises trust Windows 10 with every new headline about how it spies on you, I guess they had no choice but to offer Linux as an option as well. Also relevant to "Microsoft's love for Linux": https://plus.google.com/+SimonPhipps/posts/c636Vp4kKbf

Windows 10 uptake is remarkably good on Windows 10, perhaps because enterprises don't fall for click-bait headlines.

Microsoft Says 1.5 Million Enterprise Users Have Deployed Windows 10 https://redmondmag.com/blogs/the-schwartz-report/2015/08/ent...

Bank of America CTO Talks Windows 10 Plans, Security http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insig...

"Reilly promised a Windows 10 upgrade is on the horizon for Bank of America. "We're looking to adopt as early as we can," he said. Such a project will be a massive undertaking given the sheer multitude of Windows devices within the organization, but he appears optimistic about the process."

I was a Microsoft sceptic, but Windows 10 has me convinced http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/i-wa...

"Then, last week, at an event hosted by CIO magazine, where I gave a keynote, I spoke to a group of Chief Information Officers of large and midsized companies about technology trends. The vast majority said they were buying Microsoft's Surface Pro tablets for their users and upgrading desktop machines to Windows 10."

See also: Configure telemetry and other settings in your organization https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs....

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by miquelmasriera »

thebouv wrote: post #88
baldfat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure has been mostly Linux Applications for a while now. Whenever Enterprise wants a contract they almost exclusively think Red Hat. So this makes sense for both of them to team up.I also don't see any fallout in the community because of this. Since Ubuntu ruling the cloud instances this also makes sense for Red Hat.

Ubuntu rules cloud instances elsewhere? I almost always see the choices as CentOS or RedHat. But that might be my myopic view cause I am always just looking for those right off the bat.

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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by acveilleux »

thebouv wrote: post #23
illumen wrote: post #11

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Azure is the OS. Red hat's stuff is the application.

Yes. And different Linux flavors were already on Azure as "applications" prior to this deal. But now RedHat is getting the official stamp. If Azure the OS only had Windows the App, that would be a great failing. MS is smart and playing Azure out to not just promote other MS products. Expanding it as an ecosystem for various OSes is a Good Thing.

Yes, besides any sufficiently lucrative enterprise customer is bound to have a few Lunix boxes for $ENTERPRISE_APP they can't live without.

I say this as someone who works for an ISV that is single-handedly responsible for the only Linux servers most of our customers have.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by Sanddancer »

bechampion wrote: post #16

who uses redhat ? (im not being sarcastic)

People who have and need sufficient Infrastructure. The unglamorous servers that you expect to just chug along doing their jobs -- internal file servers, database servers, etc. Because RHEL has a support cycle that's a decade long, you can ensure that those servers don't need to go through the expensive and time consuming process of testing a stack with a new platform nearly as often.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by CaptSpify »

avar wrote: post #81
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #33

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The default RHEL on AWS is loaded with a bunch of a crap - supposedly Redhat officially supplies the distro, but one really has to wonder if a single week of engineering time has ever went into this. I mean seriously WiFi-drivers?! [1] https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/review/product-reviews/re...

What would be the benefit of slowing the release process of RHEL on AWS by pruning it down to the bare essentials? Is redundant stuff like WiFi-drivers & firmware really taking that much space that it matters?

maybe, maybe not. What that tells me though, is that they didn't sit down and say: "Here's how we optimize this to work for the cloud". I can't say other distro's do either, but it seems like something they should do

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by jzd »

thebouv wrote: post #88
baldfat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure has been mostly Linux Applications for a while now. Whenever Enterprise wants a contract they almost exclusively think Red Hat. So this makes sense for both of them to team up.I also don't see any fallout in the community because of this. Since Ubuntu ruling the cloud instances this also makes sense for Red Hat.

Ubuntu rules cloud instances elsewhere? I almost always see the choices as CentOS or RedHat. But that might be my myopic view cause I am always just looking for those right off the bat.

CentOS / RHEL are non-starters for cutting edge work in machine learning due to their ancient mathematics and scientific libraries
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