Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Abuse is indefensible

blog.mozilla.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 221 posts

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#191

Post by anonbanker »

dillera wrote: post #179
anonbanker wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we can see your net contributions to the kernel source tree as an example of the environment you choose to work in. but thank you for telling us your opinion anyway.

this

Please don't make posts like this on HN. As bad as the SJW's are, I'd say "replying as upvote" kills the signal-to-noise ratio much more. I'm totally glad you agree with me (and thank you for taking the karma hit to post), but upvoting is enough to stave off the hoarde of downvoters.

However, for anyone taking notice, "this'ing" a post is a great way to encourage parent downvotes, which is a far easier way to divebomb an opinion. Let's see if it becomes a tactic used in the future on HN.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#192

Post by WolfeReader »

x1024 wrote: post #104
gpvos wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see at least two comments that are critical of the author. And even if they were posted after you wrote this, how do you know he has deleted anything at all?

Give it an hour.

Two hours later, they're still up. Time to admit you're wrong.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#193

Post by dkersten »

shepik wrote: post #13

To be honest, Linus' rants is making a better point for me. I really feel his pain with overflow_usub, and i feel nothing when reading rewritten version.

I disagree. I read a bit of the rant and didn't feel like reading the rest: its not short, its not to the point, its full of language that, despite not being directed at me, made me feel bad.

The "rewritten" version is short and to the point. Its clear and it uses neutral language. I read it and immediately understood what the issue is with the proposed code and why the changed code is better.

So for me, the rewritten version was many many times better because I could actually understand it without having to force myself to read something long and horrible.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#194

Post by chasing »

mbrock wrote: post #99
srpablo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Completely irrelevant and not true in my opinion. Hardly, when talking about brash/abusive behavior in the context of an industry where women are underrepresented, I think it's plenty fine to mention that there might be a connection to be made. > the gender of the poster makes no difference Eh, I don't agree. It's well-observed in social sciences that men are given more leeway to be abusive than women are; one exam…

If women are socially punished for being abrasive or bossy, you could consider THAT to be a problem. I might consider it a basic human right to use curse words, get angry, and come off as abrasive, and in fact I truly do. Somewhat relatedly, the supposition some people have that "women" need to be especially protected from teh scary curse words pisses me off. THAT is a gendered prejudice based on Victorian morality o…

> I might consider it a basic human right to use curse words, get angry, and come off as abrasive, and in fact I truly do.

This is a common error, but you're mixing up the idea that the government shouldn't be allowed to penalize you for your free speech and the idea that no one at all should be able to react to you for using curse words, getting angry, or coming off as abrasive.

If I think you're an asshole, I'm perfectly within my rights to not hire you, not befriend you, make fun of you to other people, not invite you out on camping trips, "accidentally" give you smaller slices of birthday cake at company parties, write internet comments calling you a doofus, etc.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#195

Post by nnethercote »

x1024 wrote: post #11

Funny how the author "will moderate comments" and the only comments left are those who uncritically agree with them.

I'm the author. You posted this comment 3 hours ago, before I deleted any comments.

I've since deleted 3 or 4 of the worst ones, but left up ones that disagree without being overtly abusive.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#196

Post by sarciszewski »

dwb wrote: post #186
sarciszewski wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linus doesn't deserve to be in his position. What exactly do you mean by "in his position"? It's his project that he started years ago. His participation is likened to a monarchy, not a democracy. His further involvement is, therefore, not something that can be decided by an election. He doesn't deserve to be in his position with respect to a project he started and owns? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Yes, I'm saying that he doesn't deserve to be in charge of a project he started and owns. It's bigger than just his pet project now, it affects lots of people and many people spend a significant fraction of their life working on it.

> It's bigger than just his pet project now, it affects lots of people and many people spend a significant fraction of their life working on it.

Tough shit. It's still his project. If people don't like how he runs it, they can choose to instead contribute their time elsewhere.

Any argument for him to step down from owning and operating the Linux kernel, that doesn't accompany a complete replacement for the Linux kernel, is naught but entitlement.

Hate Linus? Contribute to FreeBSD.

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#198

Post by mbrock »

chasing wrote: post #194
mbrock wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If women are socially punished for being abrasive or bossy, you could consider THAT to be a problem. I might consider it a basic human right to use curse words, get angry, and come off as abrasive, and in fact I truly do. Somewhat relatedly, the supposition some people have that "women" need to be especially protected from teh scary curse words pisses me off. THAT is a gendered prejudice based on Victorian morality o…

> I might consider it a basic human right to use curse words, get angry, and come off as abrasive, and in fact I truly do. This is a common error, but you're mixing up the idea that the government shouldn't be allowed to penalize you for your free speech and the idea that no one at all should be able to react to you for using curse words, getting angry, or coming off as abrasive. If I think you're an asshole, I'm per…

I don't know why you think I made that error. Is it because I said "human right" that you think I was making a point about government censorship?

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#199

Post by delinka »

byroot wrote: post #143
delinka wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you've stereotyped over three hundred million people to be "self-absorbed Title IX crybabies for whom every opinion they disagree with is 'literally rape'." I still don't see how this is relevant or contributes to the discussion.

I'm not the OP, and I think he makes a bad job at expressing his opinion being so confrontational and dismissive. That being said I agree with his core point. There is tons of things totally unacceptable in the US society that are just fine in other cultures, and US people tend to impose their moral view on other cultures. One example that come back very often is Facebook "censorship" of "l'origine du monde": http://…

But how's any of this relevant to the Linus rant?

Re: Abuse is indefensible

#200

Post by delinka »

arguseyes wrote: post #136
delinka wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you've stereotyped over three hundred million people to be "self-absorbed Title IX crybabies for whom every opinion they disagree with is 'literally rape'." I still don't see how this is relevant or contributes to the discussion.

> I still don't see how this is relevant or contributes to the discussion. This is something you should definitely work on then.

Obviously, since your original post was downvoted to oblivion and flagged (neither of which I can do because you replied to me), I must be the one with the problem.
Post reply on HN