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Bitcoin Surges Past $400

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#171

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In general nothing. In specific there is no FDIC for bitcoins so if a MtGox type situation happens then you have no coins.

There's no FDIC providing government backed insurance for most commodities, or for non-bank accounts in fiat currency (e.g., those you'd have with a typical brokerage), so I'm not sure bitcoin is really fundamentally different than most commodities as a speculative investment So for a speculative trader, I dont e that holding keys if any more essential than physically holding goods is for physical commodities; you ob…

> so I'm not sure bitcoin is really fundamentally different than most commodities as a speculative investment

That's the point, though. You're looking at it as a speculative investment, and proceeding accordingly, which is good. The OP is admonishing people to not treat bitcoin like a standard bank account (which is all too easy to do), but rather in the same terms as you already do.

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The little pile of bitcoins I had laying around from a couple weeks ago has doubled in price. Should I spend them now in anticipation of a bubble bursting or wait for the price to possibly go up?

My logic is always sell half, keep half. Less regret maybe.

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There is a LOT of talk about "blockchain technology" going around these days. It seems like another "cloud", i.e. some vague concept that consultants can sell to CTOs who are afraid of appearing behind the technology curve. New clothes for the emperor. Since bitcoin is the reference implementation of "blockchain technology" obviously all this interest rubs off. And since bitcoin at this point is all promise without m…

Why is it that the worst things always become the most popular? I mined my first bitcoin before it hit a dollar, so it's nothing against bitcoin, just as acknowledgement of the ridiculousness of the trend of cloud computing is nothing against the cloud itself. Why can't we get a fad that's reasonable for once?

I just don't get how people convert these specialized things that may help some companies sometimes into widespread hysteria, where every company feels like they have to go all in. Companies regularly take their basically-fine hardware offline so they can start renting the same or worse from Amazon, because then they can tell people that they're "in the cloud". I know one company that used to have all their stuff running on hardware and working pretty much fine. They switched to "the cloud" because they thought it was cool. They now pay Amazon the amount of money it'd take to re-buy all the hardware that used to run their site each and every month.

I should figure this out because if I can see one of these trends coming and time it right I could make a lot of money.

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general nothing. In specific there is no FDIC for bitcoins so if a MtGox type situation happens then you have no coins.

There's no FDIC providing government backed insurance for most commodities, or for non-bank accounts in fiat currency (e.g., those you'd have with a typical brokerage), so I'm not sure bitcoin is really fundamentally different than most commodities as a speculative investment So for a speculative trader, I dont e that holding keys if any more essential than physically holding goods is for physical commodities; you ob…

There's a qualitative difference between "I own stock that might become worthless" and "I own a security that someone could just take from me because they notice my deed just sitting somewhere unprotected."

If someone steals my Schwab account contents for Schwab's servers, I can call on the government for help; and the stock market bookkeeping system has the technical ability restore my shares to me. If someone gets a copy of my wallet key, I've got no recourse unless (unlikely) someone can track down the obfuscated thief.

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

#175
A counterpoint to some of the pro-bitcoin hype.

The developers are still arguing about the 1MB blocksize limit. Currently bitcoin is limited to a theoretical maximum of 7 transactions per second (~60k transactions per day). This figure was derived assuming the smallest possible transaction size but of course real transactions are larger and the practical maximum is only about 2-3 transactions per second (~20k transactions per day). This should have been a pretty easy limit to change, it's just a #define in the code. But some core developers are against it and we're deadlocked and have been this way for at least a year.

There is an alternative client called bitcoinxt, this supports larger blocksizes but has literally no support among either the miners or chinese exchanges which are driving the rally. (See https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830 for a summary.)

A number of DoS attacks on the bitcoin network: some based on spamming lots of fee paying transactions, some based on retransmitting slightly modified versions of existing transactions, have rendered it practically inoperable for days on end. The fee paying attack isn't terribly expensive, costing only a few tens of thousands of dollars per day, while the "malleability" attack costs literally nothing other than an internet connection. There hasn't been any significant progress on solutions for either of these problems.

The bitcoiner response to this is that you shouldn't have been affected by either of these if you used the right client or paid the right fees, but imperfect clients and fixed fees are a reality of the bitcoin ecosystem so I don't see how wishing them away changes anything.

One of bitcoin's biggest advantages was supposed to be the ability to quickly react to changing circumstances by modifying the protocol. Recent events have shown this is pretty much impossible: too many people are too heavily invested in its current form, and they want no risks and hence no change. Techniques which supposedly allow risk free changes (called sidechains) still have a long way to go before we can be convinced they work as intended. Besides they're not even fully implemented on the bitcoin testnet, let alone real bitcoin.

Overall, even if people are buying into the "blockchain" tech, it doesn't seem to me that they would be interested in bitcoin itself because of the problems I've outlined. I think the safe money is still on this being a repeat of the Willybot/Mt Gox fiasco where the exchange operator used nonexistent dollars to buy bitcoin and drive the price higher. Other people were sucked in by the uptrend and they ended up with nonexistent bitcoin/dollars which they weren't able to withdraw from the exchange.

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

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post #150

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Where the hell is the flight to gold and bonds then? Something else is going on. Gold is still at $1,120ish USD. There is no flight to safety.

Two reasons. 1. US markets are priming for a temporary rise till approx. end of spring / mid-year 2016. 2. Gold is no longer safe bet in the light of a large scale government defaults and rather drastic domino effort that will follow. For how long do you think Fed are going to kick the can down the road?

> 2. Gold is no longer safe bet in the light of a large scale government defaults and rather drastic domino effort that will follow.

That makes no sense what so ever.

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

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Could somebody comment on how "future proof" the bitcoin technology really is? How large can the trading volumes become, and is there a limit? What advances have been made in crypto-currencies that will replace bitcoin?

Bitcoin is in constant development, so it's a hard question to answer. If Bitcoin core development suddenly stopped right now it wouldn't be very future proof. Trading volumes are irrelevant from a scaling perspective, what matters is number of transactions per second (tps). Right now Bitcoin has a really low capacity, just 7tps, way below VISA for example. However, progress is underway on creating the Lightning Netw…

Lightning isn't going to happen any time soon. Bear in mind it's not even block chain based, nodes are stateful and control signing keys, and no existing software works with it.

Lightning will require entirely new wallets to be created for it, and those wallets will be very complicated. It's a multi-year project at most.

The reality is that Bitcoin will fall apart if too much load is placed on it, and it's getting closer to its (entirely arbitrary) 1mb scale ceiling too fast for comfort.

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#178

The Bitcoin dream of it being accepted by banks and replacing fiat currency will never come true, especially since financial institutions are focusing on blockchain technology as opposed to Bitcoin. This recent price increase will possibly be viewed as a dead cat bounce.

You might find it interesting to note that USAA is partnering with Coinbase to give account holders a view of their Bitcoin balance along with their USAA accounts. It seems the partnership between banks and bitcoin is already happening. https://blog.coinbase.com/2015/11/03/usaa-and-coinbase-partn...

The next phase would be for people to buy bitcoins through USAA directly.

Banks are notorious for being "monkey see, monkey do". How quickly did Mobile Checking Deposits take off when banks starting putting these into their mobile apps? Coincidentally, it was USAA who helped develop the technology which allowed mobile deposits in the first place. Once a few banks begin to incorporate bitcoin, the rest will follow.

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

#179
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The China factor behind this "surge" is because this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_(Ponzi_scheme_company) started doing business in China. It's growing very huge.

Wait, MMM Global is the same company that perpetrated one of the largest Ponzi schemes in history?

Re: Bitcoin Surges Past $400

#180
post #143

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On top of that, remember that bitcoin has many prices, the most important ones being US dollar, Euro and Chinese Yuan. Right now bitcoin is around 500USD, but it's sitting on 450EUR. People buying in euros will be confident that the price will go up to 500EUR and they'll keep pushing up the price. Wich will push CNY price to 3450CNY, a very ugly price, so it will probably move to 3500CNY.

With all due respect, I don't think that's how markets work. I know that people tend to psychologically anchor to round figures, but I don't see this situation playing out as you've described.

There are very real 'sell walls' on most of the markets, hovering around rounded increments. Once those "barriers" get broken through, there is usually a spike in price afterward. I could totally see a spike on one market driving buys in another market, so it is a reasonable point to consider the effect cascading.
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