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Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by avar »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #33
technofiend wrote: post #28

I think this is just ticking a box for Microsoft since I believe you can get RH on AWS. But let's be honest - how many people will perceive any value in stacking a Microsoft technology (.NET) on top of UNIX? Sure if you already have a .NET app, hosting it in UNIX may give you some benefit. But is anyone really going to write an app from scratch with this in mind? I'm skeptical.

The default RHEL on AWS is loaded with a bunch of a crap - supposedly Redhat officially supplies the distro, but one really has to wonder if a single week of engineering time has ever went into this. I mean seriously WiFi-drivers?! [1] https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/review/product-reviews/re...

What would be the benefit of slowing the release process of RHEL on AWS by pruning it down to the bare essentials? Is redundant stuff like WiFi-drivers & firmware really taking that much space that it matters?

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by bluedino »

Spooky23 wrote: post #41
thebouv wrote: post #8

I'm not fooling myself into seeing this as anything but a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" setup. RedHat is getting a ton out of this, and so is Microsoft. Who's the main target for Azure? Enterprise companies who trust Microsoft implicitly. When an exec comes to the head of IT and says "we need to be on the cloud! I read about it!", Azure eases the transition by being able to go to vendor you've already bee…

It's not a trust thing. Microsoft is wheeling and dealing with Azure. So you won't get a deal on O365 or Dynamics anymore, but you can buy Azure credits at a discount. They are using Azure as a loss leader to get you hooked, then the price goes up. This new SaaS world is kind of like buying cars.

Our Dynamics reseller was adamant that we run it in-house. You could run it on Azure, but we don't recommend it. It's just not there yet.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by 5ilv3r »

stronglikedan wrote: post #77
Someone1234 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect: I don't buy it. That isn't how the technology works. Compilation in particular would never even hit the hypervisor layer regardless of which one you were utilising. It is CPU/memory bound. The difference between hypervisors for IO is tiny. They're all slower than native, but vary very little between one another. That's why the manufacturers have all almost given up trying to use performance for…

I have a developer who can show a marked difference in performance between VMWare Fusion (paid) and VirtualBox (free) running Windows 7 on OSX. Same Windows ISO used to install both, and both running on the same hardware and OS, with exact VM configs (as close a you can get between the two). I'm talking a night-and-day difference - VMWare Fusion is usable, but VirtualBox is not. After reading your comment, and admitt…

That's not a very good example since both of those are desktop applications providing virtualization and are expected to play nice with other desktop apps. You can virtualize in a web browser too, but that doesn't make it a good high performance idea.

You should be looking at dedicated virtualization hosts to do an apples to apples comparison, like vmware on bare server metal vs hyperv or any of the free tools also on metal. Not on a cpu throttled desktop.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

#84

Post by cmdkeen »

apalmer wrote: post #74
mercurial wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C# is a decent language if you like imperative programing. .NET MVC, though, is far from impressive. The routing is crap, Razor is designed to encourage you to dump C# straight into your views, and in general it feels like a "let's do Rails in C#", which I really don't see as the future of web development.

C# and .Net the framework is objectively 'good'. ASP.Net MVC, is very subjective. It definitely is very 'weird' from the perspective of being on a static language platform but embracing 'magic' over standard type safety. I will give you routing though, i dont really think it 'sucks' but i have lead development teams using MVC for years... whenever a new developer who isnt familiar comes on board, the most significant…

But because it is .Net you have all sorts of libraries which bring you type safety if you want it. Things like T4MVC and Typelite combined with Entity Framework give me compile time impacts of impacts anywhere in my stack from the DB downwards. If you're writing projects measuring in the person-years of effort then these tools are vital, if you're writing something smaller then the "magic" is quite nice.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

#85

Post by gruez »

aexaey wrote: post #51
diakritikal wrote: post #17

In the last 5 years we've experimented with Linux on top of hyper-v a few times. The basic I/O, compile & runtime performance was significantly inferior to xen & kvm (didn't bench against vmware, phasing it out due to cost), it wasn't worth any effort to even deploy apps for testing. Therefore I don't see Linux on hyper-v being a compelling option for the cost conscientious technical officer or lead engineer.

I'm getting approximately the same CPU & storage performance out of Azure's A0 machine w/Debian8, as from AWS t2.micro instance with spinning rust storage and Debian8 (both are cheapest offer available, and price is quite similar between them). Network on Azure though is a totally wrecked thing: - A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); - If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to…

>A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine);

I thought it was 10Mb/s?

>If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to open them one-by-one, going through a 2-page wizard with 8 fields in total to fill in for each port you are opening, and then waiting 15-20 seconds for each "change" to be applied. Good luck opening a 1024-port range for your SIP server;

...or use the powershell cmdlets and do it in one line

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by ygra »

aexaey wrote: post #51
diakritikal wrote: post #17

In the last 5 years we've experimented with Linux on top of hyper-v a few times. The basic I/O, compile & runtime performance was significantly inferior to xen & kvm (didn't bench against vmware, phasing it out due to cost), it wasn't worth any effort to even deploy apps for testing. Therefore I don't see Linux on hyper-v being a compelling option for the cost conscientious technical officer or lead engineer.

I'm getting approximately the same CPU & storage performance out of Azure's A0 machine w/Debian8, as from AWS t2.micro instance with spinning rust storage and Debian8 (both are cheapest offer available, and price is quite similar between them). Network on Azure though is a totally wrecked thing: - A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); - If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to…

Wouldn't this work for configuring lots of open ports: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn495300.aspx?

Never used the cmdlets for Azure and it's been a while that I dealt with it, but that sounds like an issue you'd only do via the web interface if you're insane.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by thebouv »

bluedino wrote: post #82
Spooky23 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a trust thing. Microsoft is wheeling and dealing with Azure. So you won't get a deal on O365 or Dynamics anymore, but you can buy Azure credits at a discount. They are using Azure as a loss leader to get you hooked, then the price goes up. This new SaaS world is kind of like buying cars.

Our Dynamics reseller was adamant that we run it in-house. You could run it on Azure, but we don't recommend it. It's just not there yet.

I wonder if that is really true or:

1) The reseller doesn't know how it runs over Azure (I had this with vendors sticking to in-house Sharepoint vs Sharepoint online mostly from a "we don't know how" angle we found out)

or

2) Does the reseller also make money from in-house vs on Azure? Like, their hardware? Anything like that? Just curious.

I mean, he could also honestly think that Azure isn't there yet either. I could just be curmudgeonly and doubting the reseller.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by thebouv »

baldfat wrote: post #47
thebouv wrote: post #8

I'm not fooling myself into seeing this as anything but a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" setup. RedHat is getting a ton out of this, and so is Microsoft. Who's the main target for Azure? Enterprise companies who trust Microsoft implicitly. When an exec comes to the head of IT and says "we need to be on the cloud! I read about it!", Azure eases the transition by being able to go to vendor you've already bee…

Azure has been mostly Linux Applications for a while now. Whenever Enterprise wants a contract they almost exclusively think Red Hat. So this makes sense for both of them to team up.I also don't see any fallout in the community because of this. Since Ubuntu ruling the cloud instances this also makes sense for Red Hat.

Ubuntu rules cloud instances elsewhere? I almost always see the choices as CentOS or RedHat. But that might be my myopic view cause I am always just looking for those right off the bat.

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

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Post by aexaey »

ygra wrote: post #86
aexaey wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting approximately the same CPU & storage performance out of Azure's A0 machine w/Debian8, as from AWS t2.micro instance with spinning rust storage and Debian8 (both are cheapest offer available, and price is quite similar between them). Network on Azure though is a totally wrecked thing: - A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); - If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to…

Wouldn't this work for configuring lots of open ports: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/azure/dn495300.aspx ? Never used the cmdlets for Azure and it's been a while that I dealt with it, but that sounds like an issue you'd only do via the web interface if you're insane.

Wouldn't work for me, as the {Get,Add}-Azure* scripts are windows/powershell-only. But then again, existence of CLI tools means there's an API. So, with a bit of luck, we might one day see a portable CLI tool (maybe boto3 [1] ported to azure API... one can dream! :-)

Thanks for pointing those out!

[1] https://github.com/boto/boto3

Re: Microsoft and Red Hat partner

#90

Post by aexaey »

gruez wrote: post #85
aexaey wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting approximately the same CPU & storage performance out of Azure's A0 machine w/Debian8, as from AWS t2.micro instance with spinning rust storage and Debian8 (both are cheapest offer available, and price is quite similar between them). Network on Azure though is a totally wrecked thing: - A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); - If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to…

>A0 instance is capped to a miserable 5 megabit/s uplink (downlink is fine); I thought it was 10Mb/s? >If you want TCP/UDP ports open, you need to open them one-by-one, going through a 2-page wizard with 8 fields in total to fill in for each port you are opening, and then waiting 15-20 seconds for each "change" to be applied. Good luck opening a 1024-port range for your SIP server; ...or use the powershell cmdlets an…

> I thought it was 10Mb/s?

Alas... Also, in my experience, throttling is really slow to react, i.e. you get a chunk of data out at 10-20Mb/s, then everything freezes for few seconds until average would drop below 5Mbps, then another speed-up/slow-down cycle. Long-term average is exactly 5Mbps as per their spec-sheet [1].

[1] http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/1/1/411621F0-D0BF-4...

[2] https://www.oaklight.us/2014/06/azure-network-speed-quick-te...

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