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Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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Maybe that's what should be done with all the fifty-year-old software developers complaining about ageism. Just train them to be web developers.

Sad to inform you, being a web developer doesn't help.

I think I needed a irony indicator ;)

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I don't think you can tie this to economics alone. After all, blacks and hispanics have been feeling the economic pressures as well. Suicide, drug use, and alcoholism have deeper cultural ties. I have no idea what those ties are, but it likely won't be fixed by a 4% annual increase in wages. I can't help but wonder if perhaps this increase in self destructive behavior is due to an increase in secularism. Blacks and H…

I don't think you can tie this to economics alone. After all, blacks and hispanics have been feeling the economic pressures as well. You have to be standing up to be knocked down.

I don't know, I remember seeing that Blacks and Hispanics were hit the hardest during the recession.

I found an article about this:

http://business.time.com/2011/07/26/great-recession-drives-f...

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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"Visit some formerly middle class suburbs of cities in the Midwest and you can see exactly why this is happening. No decent jobs, no social clubs, no children playing outside, sports tickets out of the budget of anyone but the 1%, no decent restaurants and obesity everywhere. Add decayed infrastructure and empty malls. You should see it. Horrific. " "These sad statistics should come as no surprise given the pummeling…

It's a sad state of affairs made worse by undereducated, lazy people who blame the government and simultaneously elect politicians who promise to solve the problem for them by handing out a gift-wrapped "american dream" that everyone feels they deserve. I see this kind of self-destructive philosophy/behavior every day, and I'm getting tired of it. It's always someone else's fault, yet it seems the "progressives" in o…

> t's the idea that through blood, sweat, and tears, we can shape our own lives.

Which is a lie.

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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I don't think you can tie this to economics alone. After all, blacks and hispanics have been feeling the economic pressures as well. Suicide, drug use, and alcoholism have deeper cultural ties. I have no idea what those ties are, but it likely won't be fixed by a 4% annual increase in wages. I can't help but wonder if perhaps this increase in self destructive behavior is due to an increase in secularism. Blacks and H…

Please tell me you're under 25 y/o

Because I'm suggesting that there might be less community support today than in the past because fewer people today attend church which historically has been a major source of social interaction within a community? I fail to see how this is a ridiculous hypothesis. It might not be true, but ridiculing someone for their hypothesis instead of addressing the hypothesis itself doesn't speak well to your own level of maturity.

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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It's indeed very similar to the description of the contemporary rural Russia (excluding the suburbs of Moscow, and few other large cities). There's one important difference: there's no free public health care in the US. Not that it's great in Russia, but the US has none. :(

That's not entirely true. Hospitals here are not allowed to turn away those in need, even if they have no insurance. The stays usually turn into uncollectible debts for the hospitals. With obamacare (Affordable Healthcare Act), the free options have been expanded quite a bit. In CA, the medi-cal is basically universally available to low income ($16,105 or under for 1 person, $21k or under for 2 person housefolds). Fo…

>Hospitals here are not allowed to turn away those in need, even if they have no insurance.

What about the mentally ill unable to afford any mental health treatment or prescription coverage?

What about the terminally ill who will be turned away unless they wait until they are in critical or unstable condition (costing the hospital vastly more in treatment costs and endangering lives)?

Also, please speak to the statistics that show health care as the leading cause of bankruptcies in the US. If free care is so available, is it pure ignorance that is causing 3 of every 5 bankruptcies in the US?

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"The stays usually turn into uncollectible debts for the hospitals." --> "The stays turn into bankruptcy for the patients" Incidentally the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the US is unpayable hospital bills. For those outside the US, here is how it works: a simple visit to the doctor for antibiotics (the ER, since that becomes your only option) turns into a $1200 bill.

People in that situation rarely have assets that can be seized, so a bankruptcy is meaningless. You also missed that Obamacare really does take care of a large chunk of the problem, as flawed as it is. The paid options with large assistance (Silver plans) are also fairly affordable. I'm not familiar with non-CA options, but can't imagine them to be that much different from CA ones.

>People in that situation rarely have assets that can be seized, so a bankruptcy is meaningless.

Until they want to purchase a home, purchase a car, pass a credit check to get a job, get a credit card, get a loan, start a business, or get a cell phone.

remember that a bankruptcy stays on your credit report for 7 years.

I would say having a job and a home are far from 'meaningless'

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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Thanks for the links. This from the last link: "To walk the streets of Austin during tech’s biggest annual confab, South by Southwest Interactive, is to experience a society where Boomers and Gen Xers have vanished into a black hole. Photos of those open-space offices favored by start-ups document workplaces where people over 35 are as scarce as women on the streets of Kandahar." At least made me chuckle against the…

This is funny. Also funny -- I worked in Austin in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Looked the same then. When I was stressed out one evening, I joked with my wife that I was tempted to run over a few of the yuppies. With so many, who would miss a few? So wonder where all those guys went? On a related note, this weekend might be a good time to re-watch Logan's Run.

Sorry, I won't be at Carousel tonight. It's my Love-Shop turn.

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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Naked capitalism has found a way to thin the herd more efficiently than the Jonathan Swift ever imagined. A modest proposal indeed. Unrelated: the top NYT comments are better than HN. Sad day.

What is naked capitalism as against, for instance, naked socialism? And how germane is all to this to the topic? Or is it just hand waving according to predilection?

Would you like it better if it said "pure capitalism"? Or "capitalism and only capitalism"?

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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"Visit some formerly middle class suburbs of cities in the Midwest and you can see exactly why this is happening. No decent jobs, no social clubs, no children playing outside, sports tickets out of the budget of anyone but the 1%, no decent restaurants and obesity everywhere. Add decayed infrastructure and empty malls. You should see it. Horrific. " "These sad statistics should come as no surprise given the pummeling…

Turns out that voting against your own economic interests for a few decades has consequences.

Yeah they should have never succumbed to the inundation of propaganda and withering force of constant social and economic pressure to tow the party line. Shame on those people for exerting their natural rights and trusting people who sold them out.

I'm totally with you, the real people to blame here are the everyday rubes who knowingly gave power and money to a select few who always told the truth and never used traumatic events like 9/11 or economic collapses to consolidate power and wealth. All blame should exist on the stupid middle class who need to be controlled, patronized, and told what's best for them like 5 year old children.

Re: Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans

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Speaking from experience Im 43 years old but been rejected by women my entire life in LA for being a "white guy" its certainly depressing that no matter how well you do you have to spend your entire life alone have to be ignorant of sexuality because its cut off from you , theres never any reward for my efforts no matter how well i do only puniahment for being born the wrong ethnicity.

I strongly feel that your lack of success with the ladies does not come from your lack of melanin, but from your lack of balls. Also troll. I hope.

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