Live data from Hacker News

I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

bloomberg.com

71–80 of 191 posts

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bravery on its own just isn't enough. This complete fool forgets all his confined space training, endangering not only himself but also his men, who now have one more victim to extricate. The rest of the rescue crew are people, too. Submariners have the word "oxygen thief" for this magnitude of idiot.

Well, the accident in question happened nearly 50 years ago. Who knows what kind of training was in place at the time or even how well understood this sort of problem was.

"Little House on the Prairie" has a scene where the father digs a well and tests the air downhole with a candle. That's awareness of the danger in a literary work more than 100 years ago. Farmers and well-diggers have been aware of the phenomenon for centuries, it's inconceivable that a fireman of the mid-20th century didn't know how to defend himself against the danger.

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#72
post #14

Just buy it on Alibaba [ http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_... ].

Those minimum orders are astronomical it's almost funny. Does anybody actually purchase manufacturing-level quantities of goods on alibaba? Genuinely asking.

Yes. It isn't like an eBay type transaction though, it's not 'just swipe your credit card'.

I never did oil, but I did do other commodities. It goes something like (in my experience, a typical Alibaba experience):

1. See a supplier with OK terms. Instantly distrust them.

2. Seek some kind of sample if this is first-time contact. Smell out how close they are to actual origination (usually far, far away, most easily detected by response time for sample, if so, avoid).

3. Experience pain waiting for sample then joy getting a sample and seeing it is consistent with claims.

4. Write contact with the correct incoterms based on sample above, which hopefully has been tested by an independent 3rd party that specialise in these things (this article is about oil, how about the same scale, but sun-dried tomatoes? Specialists exist, but are costly). Always use letter of credit for anything big, as the bank will bear responsibility, unless you really trust the other party and choose not to pay a fee state of mind. Make sure the contact is aligned to the letter of credit and you interests so the bank doesn't pass the buck to you if you didn't bother to write a decent contract. The bank will not hesitate to point out that the reason the coal was soaked as it was loaded at the incorrect point, or the required seal on the jars of the tomatoes didn't have a seal to stop them from from spoiling. There are limits to this, but the contract is enforced from terms and measures deemed 'reasonable' between corresponding banks, and for those that work in LC or trade in banking, 'reasonable' is a practical, not an academic, concept.

5. Profit (or bust, depending on how the above were done).

Alibaba doesn't make money on the cut (well some, not in the above, its too politically hot to handle), it makes it from both sides as an introduction fee. Due diligence is your business, not Alibaba's, and they explicitly make no promise for this.

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#73
post #6

Relatedly(?) When I had a diesel car, I bought and stored a small barrel of biodiesel in the basement of our apartment (saving like $0.05 a gallon!). I was told that diesel doesn't burn except under extreme pressure, and that you could throw a match into an open cup of diesel and it would just go out. Never actually tested that out.

You can throw a match into an open cup of gasoline and it will go out (yes, I've tried it). That doesn't mean I don't treat it as the highly flammable fluid that it is. That includes not storing it in the basement where the gas furnace and it's pilot light live.

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#74
post #4

Another notable excerpt from the linked state safety agency document ( http://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis_wsh_cet5041_90142_7.do... ): -- Two employees of a fertilizer company in Riga, Michigan, were assigned to install a new float valve in an old 35-foot deep cistern for a new 300-foot well. This cistern was covered with a concrete slab with entry through a covered manhole. The first worker entered the cistern an…

I once took a university course called "Chemical Equilibrium" which required some lab time. The labs were about examining solutions with unknown ions and figuring out what they were. A common tool in doing so is by bubbling hydrogen sulfide gas through the solution, which will cause the precipation of certain cations. Needless to say, we were warned about the dangers of H2S, and told that if it ever escaped the fume…

It occurs in deep wells that cave divers swim into as well. They often have to swim through an H2S layer, which can numb their lips and any exposed skin. It's generally a race to get through this layer and into the caves below as fast as possible.

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's crazy. Terrifying stuff.

and then there's FOOF https://web.archive.org/web/20150825171826/http://pipeline.c... (Webarchive since original seems down)

Original has moved to a new host:

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/thi...

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#77
post #4

Another notable excerpt from the linked state safety agency document ( http://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis_wsh_cet5041_90142_7.do... ): -- Two employees of a fertilizer company in Riga, Michigan, were assigned to install a new float valve in an old 35-foot deep cistern for a new 300-foot well. This cistern was covered with a concrete slab with entry through a covered manhole. The first worker entered the cistern an…

Shit kills. I guess this happens everywhere in the world, but over here (Finland), there are the occasional deaths at farms where H2S released from remains of cow manure, stored in a tank, kills people. https://www.mela.fi/sites/default/files/lietelanta.pdf "Description of event A farm-owner suffocated inside a manure tank which was lacking oxygen and contained toxic gases. Also his brother, who went in to help, died…

blabla

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's crazy. Terrifying stuff.

and then there's FOOF https://web.archive.org/web/20150825171826/http://pipeline.c... (Webarchive since original seems down)

Dr. Lowe moved.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/thi...

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the accident in question happened nearly 50 years ago. Who knows what kind of training was in place at the time or even how well understood this sort of problem was.

"Little House on the Prairie" has a scene where the father digs a well and tests the air downhole with a candle. That's awareness of the danger in a literary work more than 100 years ago. Farmers and well-diggers have been aware of the phenomenon for centuries , it's inconceivable that a fireman of the mid-20th century didn't know how to defend himself against the danger.

Hindsight is 20/20. Don't be so quick to judge other people, we all mess up from time to time.

Fortunately in my line of work "messing up" means pushing a bad commit, not dying at the bottom of a well.

Re: I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil

#80
post #4

Another notable excerpt from the linked state safety agency document ( http://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis_wsh_cet5041_90142_7.do... ): -- Two employees of a fertilizer company in Riga, Michigan, were assigned to install a new float valve in an old 35-foot deep cistern for a new 300-foot well. This cistern was covered with a concrete slab with entry through a covered manhole. The first worker entered the cistern an…

I once took a university course called "Chemical Equilibrium" which required some lab time. The labs were about examining solutions with unknown ions and figuring out what they were. A common tool in doing so is by bubbling hydrogen sulfide gas through the solution, which will cause the precipation of certain cations. Needless to say, we were warned about the dangers of H2S, and told that if it ever escaped the fume…

It can also be produced by bacteria that would would normally emit H2O, as in an oxygen deprived environment they can produce H2S instead.
Post reply on HN