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Re: A new approach to China

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Post by davidmurphy »

there wrote: post #38

nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

Wikileaks says:

Gossip inside google China is gov hackers found infiltrating google source code repository; gmail attacks an old issue.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7688415363

EDIT: I see "est" mentioned this rumor, too.

BTW, a CNN producer is tweeting that Google CN workers may have been sent home early. Conspiracy theorists would say that supports the idea of an attack from the inside. Or maybe Google just had mercy on its staff and knew they wouldn't get any work done today anyway.

http://twitter.com/joCNN/status/7702905501

Re: A new approach to China

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houseabsolute wrote: post #167
romland wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I read between the lines there was: "We have the feeling that this might have been made possible due to an inside job by one or more of our employees in China. However, we don't know who or to what extent and we'd rather not do our dirty laundry in public." Call me cynical. :/

Dunno why you consider that cynical. It's just realistic, and it wouldn't even indicate bad faith on Google's part or anyone else's if that was the reason under the covers.

Rumor is that Google China staff were sent home early today http://twitter.com/joCNN/status/7702905501

Re: A new approach to China

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blhack wrote: post #247
fcu_1 wrote: post #179

I love that CNN's app on the iPhone immediately sent me an alert to let me know when Brittany Murphy died whereas 3 hours after a real story like this broke I still haven't gotten any sort of notification. Uninstalling CNN's app right after I post this.

It pains me to admit this, but I think that there are considerably more people who care about Brittany Murphy dying than care about this. I suggest that you, instead, just subscribe to some RSS feeds.

I'll be honest. I didn't know who Brittany Murphy was until she went all over the news networks. Still don't really know -- didn't ready any of the articles.

Meanwhile, I've been consuming news about Google.CN for the past four hours. Ought to go to bed, but this is so fascinating!

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by davidmurphy »

nice1 wrote: post #276

Somewhat must have said this already, but what the heck, this is emotional stuff. The value of Google as a company rests on the trust we invest in it. I, among many I imagine, am much more confident today that they are worthy of it. Well done. "Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid."

I feel inspired to want to go work for Google now....

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by vorg »

boundlessdreamz wrote: post #219
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

According to GiagOm "if the Chinese government bans the search giant, then Google could be walking away from about $600 million in 2010 revenues." http://gigaom.com/2010/01/12/how-much-will-it-cost-google-to...

"$600 million in 2010 revenues" But what's the profit, i.e. less the costs? And in what currency and which country's banks is that profit (if any)?

Re: A new approach to China

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jacktang wrote: post #279

now baidu.com stopped its censorship ....

A CNN Beijing Bureau Associate Producer tweeted "Craziness on #Baidu. Searched sensitive term+got huge results list, that never happens. 20min later results GONE, error msg back up."

http://twitter.com/joCNN/status/7703269253

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by davidmurphy »

netcan wrote: post #65
storborg wrote: post #59

If Google has concrete evidence to suggest that the Chinese government was behind these attacks, why did they stop just short of saying so? And if they don't, why would they even consider implying that?

They are treading thin ice. "We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China" I'm glad they are standing up and taking the high road. Still, no need to be stupid.

One could argue they may have purposely done it this way to protect the Chinese staff from blame for this decision, hoping that the Chinese gov't wouldn't prosecute Google.CN staff because the "fault" for the decision lies back in the USA.

(FWIW, some reports say Google.cn already is uncensored, which may be against the law. Thus the staff could be at risk.)

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by pmorici »

rabidgnat wrote: post #110
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

"I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop." Half of the surprise I received reading this article was my shock that the Chinese government would attack profitable companies like Google. Sure, they've always attacked foreign governments, but China's government depends on US companies spending Dollars overseas. Since consumer spending is down in USA, it only seems natural for China to start…

Why are you surprised? Chinese companies steal designs and pirate US products as a matter of routine.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by davidmurphy »

jbrun wrote: post #29

Very good news, my guess is that the Obama administration may be backing this aggressive move to push China towards more openness without directly going at them. Hopefully this will pan out top changes in China, but having worked there for a year, I would not get my hopes too high.

FWIW, Eric Schmidt was part of a dinner Secretary of State Hilary Clinton hosted just last week with tech leaders. And Clinton did issue a statement today saying she has a speech planned on internet freedoms Jan. 21.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-liebman/perspective-on-d... http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135105.htm

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by vorg »

davidmurphy wrote: post #291
there wrote: post #38

nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

Wikileaks says: Gossip inside google China is gov hackers found infiltrating google source code repository; gmail attacks an old issue. http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7688415363 EDIT: I see "est" mentioned this rumor, too. BTW, a CNN producer is tweeting that Google CN workers may have been sent home early. Conspiracy theorists would say that supports the idea of an attack from the inside. Or maybe Google just h…

"an attack from the inside" Of course it was. China is an insider's society.
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