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Re: A new approach to China

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Post by est »

pyre wrote: post #79
JCThoughtscream wrote: post #16

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The targeting of Chinese human rights activists' email accounts don't seem Suspicious to you? Exactly what /private/ group would have motive for this?

There are supposedly a lot of hyper-nationalistic youths (specifically in the teens-20s age range) in China right now. I could see a group of them being hackers and feeling that they are doing this for the 'honour of their country' or something similar.

Chinese nationalistic is a coin with two sides. It's could be turned against Party and govn't easily. Just think of what happened in 1989.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by varjag »

jacoblyles wrote: post #208
carbocation wrote: post #9

Every once in awhile their Don't be evil motto reminds us that it still exists. Reading in between the lines, it seems that they must feel that the Chinese government was involved in the attacks on the user accounts. Otherwise, the first portion of the post re: cyber security has little to do with the latter portion re: dealing with China at all. This is a fairly clever approach to conveying such a heavy message with…

I thought that was weird. Nowhere in the post do they say that the attacks were done by the Chinese government. We're all just assuming that is the case.

It very much reads between the lines. That's about how much they can go with public accusation without actually having to avoid libel charges and turn up evidence in court. It is quite certain their lawyers worked a lot with the text.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by tel »

netcan wrote: post #242
netcan wrote: post #204

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I'm not sure they can just block all Google services all of a sudden. What about mail. What about docs. What about turning off your Google Adwords account.

I think (judging by downvotes) that I am being misunderstood. My thinking was along these lines: Mr Small Chinese Exporter wakes up tomorrow unable to access his Google Adwords account which is how he connects to foreign importers. He's out of widgets and wants to stop advertising them. He can't even suspend the campaign and they keep charging his credit card. That's bad business. I'm not sure China would want to do…

Historically, China would do that. Probably it'll depend on how many influential people actually use google docs and such. I suspect not enough.

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Post by boundlessdreamz »

andreyf wrote: post #266
jacquesm wrote: post #261

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I give up. Someone else want to give it a shot?

Someone else want to give it a shot? Sure. Assuming we have the same innate moral sense as the authors of the Talmud, you value the damages of my copyright infringement as greater or equal than a perutah in value. I do not. As a matter of fact, the reason I cross-posted is that I don't think the comment in question deserved the top spot, and would frankly be ashamed if such writing/logic were ever seriously attribute…

Wow dude.. You are one of a kind.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by tel »

jacquesm wrote: post #261
andreyf wrote: post #260

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Accepting (and using) your confounding between copyright violation, plagiarism, and theft, most moral and legal system make exception to very minor infringements. The oldest I know of is the Babylonian Talmud, which grants exception to "injury less than a perutah in value" [1]. I challenge you to show any value in this "theft". that's saying that it is ok to steal dollar bills but not ok to steal 100's Precisely! Tha…

I give up. Someone else want to give it a shot?

Here's a good example:

http://waxy.org/2009/04/all_things_digital_and_transparency_...

The short of it being that identity is paramount online. Stealing content can be a copyright issue, but stepping into someone else's voice and holding someone else's creative content as your own is simply evil. With proper, comprehensive attribution there's some flex to go around, but even then it's generally something done with consent and grace.

Cross-posting someone else's comment might just be borrowing their pencil for an argument, but since it's kind of an amazing pencil and now you're showing it off to your friends like it's your own, you should expect cold stares when you give it back.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by tel »

JCThoughtscream wrote: post #7
omouse wrote: post #3

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They shouldn't have even opened an office in China. What the heck did they expect to happen?

They expected to do business, of course. It is, after all, a 1.32bn audience base. Quite glad they're opting to take the ethical route this time, though.

Additionally, they recruit heavily from China's top universities.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by shard »

lallysingh wrote: post #64
pavs wrote: post #28

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Even if they have 5% market pulling out of china is huge. They currently have ~17% market share in China. No profit-making company in their right mind would pull out of country with ~17% market share.

s/profit-making/profit-centered/

It's a public company's fiduciary duty to act in the best interest of it's stockholders, which in most cases is profit-centered (considering that the major holders of Google are investment funds and groups). It looks like after hours trading of GOOG is trending lower.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by davidmurphy »

netcan wrote: post #204
liuliu wrote: post #187

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And it started. Major news sites in China start to filter out this news which has been heavily reported several hours ago. I expected all Google service will be blocked by the end of today. Edit: maybe not that soon. A second thought, current news block may be interpreted as a "saving face" for Google. China high officials may have that kind of thought and think it is for Google's own benefits so that they can still…

I'm not sure they can just block all Google services all of a sudden. What about mail. What about docs. What about turning off your Google Adwords account.

The Atlantic's James Fallows ran a piece last year about how the Great Firewall works. Long read, but quite interesting.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/chinese-firewall

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