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Re: A new approach to China

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Post by est »

jjguy wrote: post #68
there wrote: post #38

nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

10 bucks on 0day.

Rumors on twitter says it's Google Shanghai Office employees trying to crack Gmail from Google's internal network

All Chinese Googler were suspended from Google's internal source code and network access for now.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by est »

tumult wrote: post #212

pg, are you around to look at the voting patterns in this thread? I'd like to hear if you see any accounts being used to attack the comment score of anyone expressing anti-Chinese sentiment. (I've seen this happen before on sites I've run, even ones on a much smaller scale than HN) I'd also like to applaud Google for this. I hope people who helped influence this decision can see how many people appreciate what they'r…

And due to a link popularized to Chinese twitter-sphere, looks like there's a lot of new users from China

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1049036

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by jacquesm »

andreyf wrote: post #266
jacquesm wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I give up. Someone else want to give it a shot?

Someone else want to give it a shot? Sure. Assuming we have the same innate moral sense as the authors of the Talmud, you value the damages of my copyright infringement as greater or equal than a perutah in value. I do not. As a matter of fact, the reason I cross-posted is that I don't think the comment in question deserved the top spot, and would frankly be ashamed if such writing/logic were ever seriously attribute…

Right... do you know what 'adding insult to injury' means ?

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by praptak »

jordyhoyt wrote: post #153
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

My high school US history teacher said this (during the ramp-up to the Iraq war): "Posturing for war can be very good, actually going to war is NEVER good." The parallel here, in my mind, is that Google has an opportunity for accomplishing several things while "posturing" for war with the Chinese government: * Put pressure on the Chinese government to change. This is the public-facing goal of the campaign. The cause.…

> "Posturing for war can be very good, actually going to war is NEVER good."

Does not compute. You cannot posture for war without occasionally going to war.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by jacquesm »

Femur wrote: post #131
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #6

This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

How often do you cross-post the exact same comment between HN and reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aouv5/new_appro... Edit: I may have jumped to conclusions; the individual on reddit may have very well stolen your comment in which case my accusation is invalid.

Someone mod poor Femur up, he was right all along.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by nice1 »

Somewhat must have said this already, but what the heck, this is emotional stuff. The value of Google as a company rests on the trust we invest in it. I, among many I imagine, am much more confident today that they are worthy of it. Well done.

"Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid."

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by est »

shrike wrote: post #124

The last three paragraphs gave me chills. If Google follows thru and exits China I really, really hope it will be the beginning of an exodus of those companies that support the Golden Shield Project. I'm looking at you Cisco - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=f... I am sure we will all be watching closely over the next few weeks, but kudos are due to Google already.

Cisco has nothing to do with current implementation of GFW system, Golden Shield and GFW are two completely different systems. The wikipedia entry of GFW seems to be maintained by gov agents to create a delusion of a false target.

see:

http://freemorenews.com/2009/08/30/burn-after-reading-gfw/

It's in Chinese, but it's pretty accurate. This article created shock within the gov, China's intelligence department almost turned the GFW department upside down for TFA

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by cturner »

forkandwait wrote: post #239
jacoblyles wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted you for your unsupported claim that "In the neo-liberal era, this approach is no longer given any credence". I also downvoted you for complaining about a downvote, which probably gave you more sympathy upvotes than you deserved.

By the definition of neoliberal, non-market structures are considered bad. But you don't know that, or you wouldn't have downvoted me, at least not the first time. Why you might have downvoted me is that you think a shift away from more socialist structures toward more market structures is a good thing, or (less likely) that we are not in a neoliberal era. In either case, to downvote an opinion because you think it i…

    By the definition of neoliberal...
People don't run around saying "Oh I'm a neoliberal" - it's a word certain groups use to hit others over the head with. Sure enough.. that's what you move in to. It isn't constructive, expect downvotes.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by michaelneale »

damien wrote: post #233
omouse wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can spin this easily. Google is showing porn images in their search results or some other bullshit story. They would do that, and it would make their local search engine Baidu look very good in comparison. They could also spin it as Google not being able to stand the competition and "look! Westerns can't help us, they don't know anything about us!" They aren't ignorant of PR and they know when to apply force and…

It seems they've already started that kind of spin. For example, in the wsj article: "Chinese internet analysts said they were shocked by the Google announcement, but at the same time they understood the reasons behind its threat to back out of China. They said the cyber attacks have exposed Google's inability to protect its users' privacy..." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126335402591827235.html

Yes they have spun things that way - spinning it as good news for them. But it won't hold forever. People are not ignorant - well at least not all of them, not all the time ;)
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