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New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by serge2k »

toxican wrote: post #113
ChuckMcM wrote: post #45

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Yes, CBS has this weird notion that you will pay $5.99 a month AND watch commercials that you can't skip. I get that they "think" its like this now, they get paid by the cable company for their channel (the $5.99) and they send them content with commercials (which they have sold), but the new world is NetFlix which charges monthly, but has now commercials.

It's not a weird notion, considering it works fairly well for Hulu. Even their "commercial-free" tier features commercials on select episodes because "reasons"

Reasons like they couldn't get out of it, would be my guess. They are up front with that limitation, and I expect they will push to get rid of the rest of the ads.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by delecti »

happycube wrote: post #100
delecti wrote: post #89

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Voyager is definitely the worst offender with "reverse the polarity" plot devices, but it also doesn't take itself so seriously. It was very much the polar opposite of BSG in that regard. I didn't find DS9 picked up that problem in the later seasons though, so I've got to disagree with you there.

... because Ron Moore was DS9's showrunner.

I'm not actually sure which part of my comment you're referring to, which makes your ellipsis seem premature.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by hugh4 »

vanderZwan wrote: post #14

> The brand-new Star Trek will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966 . Although the series is aimed more at the US than the rest of the world, What if they decided to tackle the current migration issues? Those will only become bigger in the future as climate…

As it happens, Doctor Who is right in the middle of a story about this.

What's really surprising is that as of the first part of the story, Doctor Who seems to, for the first time ever, be taking a more right-wing than left-wing approach to the political metaphor. It turns out that letting twenty million shape-shifting Zygons settle on Earth actually was a terrible idea after all! Not all of them are bad, but a sufficient number are, and you can't tell the bad ones from the good ones.

They'll probably find a way to twist it back to a leftism-compliant story in the latter part, but it's interesting that the first part of the story at least is a pretty convincing argument against letting large numbers of potentially-dangerous foreigners into your planet/country.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

maxerickson wrote: post #163
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #162

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Largely irrelevant. Netflix shows are at a budget Netflix controls, rather than the pricing maze of licensing content from major networks. Many more shows, often with higher budgets. And with a price premium because Netflix would be competing with their own services if Netflix was given earlier access to them.

My point was that they are actually producing "First-run, current-season material". They have several shows that have gotten attention for their quality. You say "you couldn't/wouldn't want to pay for how much current TV shows would cost in commercial free.", but a show with a 10 million dollar budget and a million viewers would cost $10, not a lot more than Google Play for current season stuff (per episode), so appa…

For just that show. And when you look at the hundreds of shows these streaming services offer, at a potential cost of $10 a pop per user, per show, you start to understand why you still see ads when you pay to subscribe. ;)

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

rhino369 wrote: post #171
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #154

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As much as it's often panned, Insurrection is the most Star Trek of Star Trek movies. It's about the Prime Directive at it's core. The Undiscovered Country is also a great example of a movie about diplomacy. Sure, every movie is going to be action-packed for film screens, but those two I felt stuck to Star Trek's ideals more than the rest, where the movie focused on stopping a specific evil villain.

It's been a while since I saw Insurrection and Undiscovered Country, but you could make a similar argument about Star Trek into Darkness. It was about the struggle between a militarized starfleet and a starfleet about discovery and exploration.

I honestly just feel Into Darkness is a movie about Khan. I've never felt the new Trek movies put out this discovery and exploration vibe. They certainly haven't attempted to do so as of yet.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by ant6n »

serge2k wrote: post #183
ant6n wrote: post #61

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I feel with Netflix making watching episodes in order and re-watching shows much easier, DS9 is holding up pretty well. If you ignore some of the techno-bs and make a leap of faith on the religion stuff, the dialogue (while theatrical) is tight, the acting (besides the doctor) is pretty good, there's some suspense between the characters. The story evolves. Rewatching I especially like Quark, Garak, Odo - the characte…

Bashir is supposed to be lame for the first while. It's part of his arc that he starts out as a talented, but arrogant doctor and inexperienced officer but grows up as the series grows. Also Alexander siddig is a pretty good actor.

He learned on the job. The first season is pretty cringe-worthy. Maybe re-watch S01E09, 'the passenger'. Or maybe this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgdVLk2C2c

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by DrBazza »

baldfat wrote: post #59
exelius wrote: post #46

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Sci Fi shows are expensive to make period - which is why there aren't usually a lot of them on TV. Just think about it: for a normal sitcom or drama, costumes can be bought off the rack and shots can be done on location or on a sound stage with easily-sourced furniture / decoration / etc. Everything on a Sci Fi (or fantasy) show has to be custom-made; from the costumes to the wall decorations to the light fixtures to…

> Sci Fi shows are expensive to make period So never saw the Dr. Who series int he 1970s and 1980s :) Personally I loved the campy Dr Whos a lot. BBC - "Your almost Out of Budget and you have 3 part series to finish" Producer - "No problem we will put a trash can over that guy and tape up a few trash bags, throw some kids paint on it and there is our new monster." "We will also call the gravel pit see if we can use i…

My friends' fathers (plural) worked on the "SFX" in Dr Who in the 70s and Blake's 7. The ray guns were from an old chandelier they had in their living room. Good times.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by ericcumbee »

zzalpha wrote: post #107
hansjorg wrote: post #54

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> I really hope that this won't be in the rebooted universe because it was well kinda meh I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but was very disappointed with the new films. They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. Every little thing that made Star Trek entertaining has been stripped away. Not too surprising considering JJ Abrams told in an interview that "I would watch epis…

They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. You've just described the Wrath of Khan, considered one of the finest films in the franchise. Hell, a good number of episodes in every series in the franchise were just action in space... the Best of Both Worlds is literally just Us vs The Borg. Fans have incredibly rose tinted glasses regarding ST. For every City on the Edge of F…

Although I have a hard time knocking the decision to cast Benedict Cumberbatch as a genetically enhanced villain.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by csixty4 »

snerbles wrote: post #71
csixty4 wrote: post #64

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A lot first season scripts were recycled TOS scripts or ideas for the abandoned "Star Trek Phase II" show. The later seasons' writing was geared more for the TNG characters & actors, which helped them feel more natural.

Roddenberry meddling less was another factor in the improvement of TNG.

Yeah. Sucks that his health went down the tubes like that, but the show benefitted from it.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Post by toxican »

serge2k wrote: post #191
toxican wrote: post #113

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It's not a weird notion, considering it works fairly well for Hulu. Even their "commercial-free" tier features commercials on select episodes because "reasons"

Reasons like they couldn't get out of it, would be my guess. They are up front with that limitation, and I expect they will push to get rid of the rest of the ads.

I wouldn't say they're very upfront about it. If it's not truly ad-free, they shouldn't be marketing it as such. Including it in tiny text nobody reads isn't being upfront.
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