Can someone give me a mirror for this article.... I'm in China and blogspot is blocked (among other things).
A new approach to China
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
My high school US history teacher said this (during the ramp-up to the Iraq war): "Posturing for war can be very good, actually going to war is NEVER good." The parallel here, in my mind, is that Google has an opportunity for accomplishing several things while "posturing" for war with the Chinese government: * Put pressure on the Chinese government to change. This is the public-facing goal of the campaign. The cause.…
My high school US history teacher said this (during the ramp-up to the Iraq war): "Posturing for war can be very good, actually going to war is NEVER good." You had a history teacher who said this?!? Doesn't the period of history he teaches include the United States war against the Axis (World War II)? Yes, the United States delayed entering that war about as long as any country could, but it was on the right side of…
Maybe he meant that war is always evil, even if it is the lesser evil.
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#254I now hope Google stands up to other countries, mainly USA to whom they share their user data as well as log files. When Google does that, I will be a impressed by them, threatening to leave a market in which they don't really exist is not something hard to do, when you have realized that your operating costs are going to be much larger than money you're going to make (even in the long run), it is viable to quit the…
Same question raise and answered http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1049298
Google has stood up to US govt. too
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I am so proud of Google right now. It's hard to contain. It is high time somoene stood up to China and let them know enough is enough. I sincerely hope other corporations follow suit. As I mentioned elsewhere, I am sure there is more to the story than is being let on now. I could only imagine the level of corporate espionage that is in play between China and Google. Good for Google calling them on it and making a bro…
> I am so proud of Google right now. I am too, but I think we should remember that China's citizens were and still are being censored, killed, and tortured on a daily basis. Google was fine doing business with them and even assisting in their censorship. Only until Google found itself on the receiving end of China's baton did it finally decide to change their relationship. They deserve kudos and a pat on the back for…
I don't remember an instance of Google responding to the Chinese government request of information.
They did follow the government guideline and censored their results but that's a very minor problem compared to the good Google did by just giving access to better english based information than Baidu for example.
All of this is not question of black and white and I respect Google a lot more than Yahoo based on the way they behave (Yahoo did help directly to the arrest of a political activist in China see: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/19/technology/19yahoo.html)
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Google is not very big in China anyway, the Chinese gov't doesn't stand to lose much.
A company like Google saying that it isn't safe to do business in China has to at least annoy them to some degree.
What is really interesting to me (i live in china) is that now that they have made this public it is impossible for them to continue doing business in china. Due to the social rules here if they wanted to save the situation in any way it should have been done privately. Given that they are clever people they know that announcing this will kill the china business. It is in essence a "slap", "we're out of here".
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#257We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. Wow.
Come on. Don't upvote to 36+ a comment that just copies part of the article with "wow" after it. I'm not saying it's wrong and should be downvoted, but still...
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#258There has to be a real strategic serious reason they're doing this. Something along the lines of self interest. I just can't believe that a 187 billion dollar US company with millions of shareholders would just go out and do what it appears it is doing.
Avoidance of security breaches maybe? It's been rumoured/suggested that some attack started within google chinese offices at least.
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Right, if it was anything more than a comment on a message board, I agree, but just as borrowing a piece of paper or pencil during class without returning it is technically "theft", this is similarly justified.
You really don't get it do you? How do I go about explaining this in a way that the coin will drop... Borrowing a pencil or a piece of (blank) paper during class concerns the use of raw materials. There is no personal investment in to that piece of paper or pencil, they are the equal of any other piece of paper or pencil, which is why you can 'return' a piece of paper, you simply take another one that looks sufficien…
Accepting (and using) your confounding between copyright violation, plagiarism, and theft, most moral and legal system make exception to very minor infringements. The oldest I know of is the Babylonian Talmud, which grants exception to "injury less than a perutah in value" [1]. I challenge you to show any value in this "theft".
that's saying that it is ok to steal dollar bills but not ok to steal 100's
Precisely! That's what I meant by "borrow a pencil" without returning it: I'm saying it's OK to steal a piece of paper (or copy a comment), but not a dollar (or copy his blog post), and not a 100 (or copy a chapter from his book), especially if it serves another purpose (comparing replies to a popular comment in two communities).