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A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by noir_lord »

bane wrote: post #68
noir_lord wrote: post #63

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DS9 is different in tone to TNG but every bit as good, it explores what happens when the idealism of the Federation runs smack into an equivalently advanced technologically civilisation that has a horrible social structure. It's very good.

I think it also delves deep into belief systems of different kinds and how that motivates people. It even asks questions around "if you have no choice but belief, is it still belief?" It takes a little while to get going, but the story is probably one of the finest arcs on TV.

Absolutely, its a slow burner but so many stand out episodes in stand out seasons, it also benefit from been able to jump into the world of TNG which definitely had its teething pains at certain points (and Wesley Bloody Crusher).

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by ethbro »

amalcon wrote: post #55
dasboth wrote: post #48

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Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Since it was apparently a little confusing: 1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger 2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan 3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2 4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales 5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken 6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords 7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard 8) First…

8) First Contact: the one withNO! IT ENDS HERE!! NOW!!

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by ElComradio »

amalcon wrote: post #55
dasboth wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Since it was apparently a little confusing: 1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger 2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan 3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2 4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales 5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken 6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords 7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard 8) First…

Insurrection is underrated. It's by far the best TNG movie as far as pacing goes. First Contact feels like it is stuttering and I think people like it mostly because the Borg are always a hot topic for Trekkies.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by yk »

s5edvvddd wrote: post #4

Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers. This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again. I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations…

Sadly I agree. In modern TV it is unthinkable to have a character like Picard who tries to pursue a diplomatic solution instead of the shoot first, might makes right attitude so prevalent in modern newspapers and other fictions.

On a somewhat related note, CBS apparently tries to get a good start for their streaming site, this means that they will try to limit risk. So they will probably go for a darker tone and something like Game of Thrones in space.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by ElComradio »

dnautics wrote: post #27
gajomi wrote: post #22

I am only somewhat familiar with Star Trek (mostly by way of TNG), but I think it would be cool to see a conflict with a re-imagined version of the Ferengi. I never heard any exposition on the details, but the Federation is supposedly an essentially egalitarian post-scarcity economy with a religion of space exploration. In contrast, the Ferengi always seemed much closer to our own society: they are cold blooded capit…

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

You are correct; Quark goes on a few rants about this in DS9. Also since the Ferengi are so terrible with fighting, considering it a waste of resources (excluding the marauders in TNG but those are later implied to be a minority) that we can safely assume they never had any world wars of their own.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by leepowers »

It's just an announcement - it's way too early to tell how the series is going to turn out. That being said, I would be surprised if the reboot becomes a cultural landmark like TOS. I just hope it's at least good, compelling television. At best I hope it captures the genius of good Star Trek: exploring new ideas, concepts, and perspectives, with clever & humane writing, capable acting, and good special effects.

I hope it's not too heavy on the action/drama, like _The Walking Dead_ or _Game of Thrones_. These are both excellent series that are highly entertaining to watch. But they make me _feel_ first and _think_ second.

Good Star Trek episodes are like puzzles. You're thinking "what the heck is going on?", "what strange phenomena is this?", etc. The best ones draw you in and then delight you with the reveal. They almost have a Twilight Zone quality to them.

Re: A New ‘Star Trek’ TV Series Will Debut in 2017

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Post by ethbro »

gajomi wrote: post #51
dnautics wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's star trek canon that the Ferengi never had any internal problems with slavery (of other Ferengi) or genocide. I think it would be much more interesting to explore the creepier side of this supposedly egalitarian post-scarcity economy... I mean think of how wierd it is that a military organization is in charge of scientific exploration, that all the individuals on the starship are tracked at all times, et…

Yeah a look into the Federation society could be interesting. One thing that always bothered me was why people weren't basically just spending their time hanging around the food replicators and fornicating in the hologram machine. I can buy that the crew of a starship would be chosen for a strange combination of discipline and risk-aversion (not to mention Starfleet adding something to the water), but it seemed to me…

If you haven't read it, this might be relevant to your interests: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series

I thought it had some interesting "Okay, so no more scarcity, now what?" plots.

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Post by yk »

gkoberger wrote: post #6
ecopoesis wrote: post #2

Strange that CBS is going to be putting this only on streaming (CBS All Access). I'm not sure if that's a brilliant bet on the future or a foolhardy miscalculation.

You wouldn't like Star Trek on CBS proper. Shows on TV need to be mainstream to work, given how advertisement works. By putting it online, they're changing the expectations: it doesn't have to appeal to everyone. Rather, it can be made for a niche audience, which is good for Star Trek. That's why Arrested Development (in theory) can work on Netflix but not FOX.

Hopefully but I am a lot more cynical. I guess they want to start with what they believe is their strongest franchise. The job of the new Star Trek is to draw the audience to streaming, and the series needs mass appeal for that.

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Post by peatmoss »

pyrophane wrote: post #50
Touche wrote: post #49

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> we might some day see something even better than TNG. We already saw that. http://www.startrek.com/page/star-trek-deep-space-nine

Oh really? I haven't watched much of DS9. Perhaps I should give it another look.

DS9 has longer plot arcs than TNG. In TNG, something nearly cataclysmic could happen in one episode, and everything would be back to normal in the next episode. Picard is my captain, and TNG is what I think of when I think of Trek. But, DS9's writing was in a different league.

The way the characters and the plot developed together was great. Some of the episodes were uncharacteristically dark for the Star Trek universe (introduction of Dukat's daughter, Garak and Odo, etc.)

In TNG, the only credible existential threat was the Borg, and you really only felt that for a couple of back-to-back episodes. The Borg were awesome, but DS9 had greater sustained dramatic tension.

And the camp episodes! When DS9 did silly, they did it up right--with frickin' evil mirror universe characters and tribbles!

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Post by amalcon »

ElComradio wrote: post #73
amalcon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it was apparently a little confusing: 1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger 2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan 3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2 4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales 5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken 6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords 7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard 8) First…

Insurrection is underrated. It's by far the best TNG movie as far as pacing goes. First Contact feels like it is stuttering and I think people like it mostly because the Borg are always a hot topic for Trekkies.

I don't hate Insurrection. It's totally watchable, which is more than I can say for Generations or Nemesis. It definitely has its positives. It has by far the best writing of Data in any of the movies. Picard's love story is pretty well done. I just don't find it quite rises to the level of the four "actually good" movies. The plot only makes sense if you squint really hard.

First Contact did have its fair share of stupid (Borg queen, UGH). I just thought the plot made way more sense than any of the other TNG movies.

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