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Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by drakonka »

So it really looks like the new profile _was_ deleted by Livecoding and then registered by someone else, who initially put a modified version of the libel back onto it and has now linked to their own video. I would like to stress that this really does _not seem_ to be Michael's doing this time, but a third party who saw this and grabbed my previous username.

On a slightly different note - I have seen some people express some sort of satisfaction in Michael's poor handling of this, specifically on this thread. To me it does not feel right to post these sorts of reactions to what seem to be unwell, possibly almost delusional comments on the part of this person. In fact it seems to be potentially dangerous and irresponsible. This person seems genuinely confused and is going through some possibly serious mental or emotional issues. Something just seems very off about these responses. I am the last person to defend his unprofessional business tactics or communication skills and of course this whole thing seems to have been grossly mishandled, but at this point I don't think a person in their right rational mind would react in the way he has and I would think very hard before making personal comments that might push him further into turmoil right now.

Of course nobody has to listen to me, but I feel it needed to be said. I didn't write this post or post these screenshots to make a joke out of a person or be cruel to someone who seems to be unwell. I just wanted my account deleted.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by n72 »

denniskane wrote: post #375

It seems to me that this guy ("Dr" Michael Garbade) is just a complete fraud. His supposed doctoral thesis can be found here: http://www.slideshare.net/mjmjg/differences-in-venture-capit... I mean, just read this small snippet. It honestly seems like it was written by an average high school freshman... ========================================== 1.2 Research Objectives Although there are certainly differences in the v…

The fact he includes "Dr" in his HN username smells to me. Anyone that intent on throwing credentials around, well, makes me doubt that he actually may have those credentials.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by DanBC »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #412
DanBC wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit frustrating that you see poor behaviour that's hard to understand and leap to "mentally ill", rather than "scumbag".

As austenallred mentioned, I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But by linking mental illness to scumbag behaviour you're making life worse for all the people with mental illness who aren't scumbags - which is most of them.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by denniskane »

nilved wrote: post #440
denniskane wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Commenters here should be considering scenarios in which glee would not be a humane response. Maybe I'm just having a brainfart, but I simply don't understand this sentence at all, and I really would like to. I'm really not trying to troll you, I just feel like this is an interesting statement that could use some clarification :)

I think they're suggesting that there's an explanation for Michael's errant behaviour that we should be more sympathetic toward. I don't buy it, though.

Ah, okay. So, there are possible scenarios that are going on in his life that we should be considering before laying certain gleefully harsh judgments on him. Gotcha.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by davidw »

detaro wrote: post #163
yokohummer7 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also interesting that only the second line has a plus sign at the end. I'll have to infer the meaning of that.

I have a mental image of an angry person mashing CTRL+V, RETURN, RETURN, CTRL+V, RETURN, RETURN, CTRL+V and then accidentally hitting + together with RETURN....

I can imagine that too. Rational people would of course use ctrl-y.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by gaius »

mckee1 wrote: post #380
denniskane wrote: post #375

It seems to me that this guy ("Dr" Michael Garbade) is just a complete fraud. His supposed doctoral thesis can be found here: http://www.slideshare.net/mjmjg/differences-in-venture-capit... I mean, just read this small snippet. It honestly seems like it was written by an average high school freshman... ========================================== 1.2 Research Objectives Although there are certainly differences in the v…

Their wikipedia page[1] appears to have been edited by the founder too. (In which the company is described as a "multinational"). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livecoding.tv

That page needs a Controversies section.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by klapinat0r »

nilved wrote: post #440
denniskane wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Commenters here should be considering scenarios in which glee would not be a humane response. Maybe I'm just having a brainfart, but I simply don't understand this sentence at all, and I really would like to. I'm really not trying to troll you, I just feel like this is an interesting statement that could use some clarification :)

I think they're suggesting that there's an explanation for Michael's errant behaviour that we should be more sympathetic toward. I don't buy it, though.

I read it as, commenters should not resort to gleeful uproars following said comment.

As in, let's not turn this:

I've temporarily banned Michael's account

Into a plethora of snarky/glee comments like "yay, finally" (contributing nothing but a lynch mob)

I could be wrong though, but that's how I understood it.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by dang »

denniskane wrote: post #439
dang wrote: post #434

This has gone beyond PR disaster theater and become an outlier. I've temporarily banned Michael's account until it is resolved. Commenters here should be considering scenarios in which glee would not be a humane response to all this.

> Commenters here should be considering scenarios in which glee would not be a humane response. Maybe I'm just having a brainfart, but I simply don't understand this sentence at all, and I really would like to. I'm really not trying to troll you, I just feel like this is an interesting statement that could use some clarification :)

Sorry, I don't usually go in for circumlocution but this is a tough one. Let me try again. There may be factors beyond 'obvious bad behavior deserving of mob wrath', which (if they knew what they were) would make some commenters here ashamed of what they've posted. For example, I think most people would be ashamed to publicly express glee over something that turned out to be, say, a health issue.

Sometimes in cases like this, there's an information vaccuum for a reason. Unfortunately, since the Internet abhors a vaccuum, Schadenfreude rushes in, which brings out the ugliness in people and leads to frenzy.

Normally we penalize such threads, but HN's policy is to intervene less when a bad story is YC-related, so we held off. But this morning, when I saw the dozens of comments that Michael had posted overnight, and the condemning and goading responses, it was dismayingly clear that this is something other than the usual trainwreck that people find so entertaining.

The line between righteous indignation and cruelty is not obvious, and worse, is a line that feels great to cross. If we're not mindful of that, cruelty is the default, so let's be mindful of that.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by dang »

klapinat0r wrote: post #447
nilved wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're suggesting that there's an explanation for Michael's errant behaviour that we should be more sympathetic toward. I don't buy it, though.

I read it as, commenters should not resort to gleeful uproars following said comment. As in, let's not turn this: I've temporarily banned Michael's account Into a plethora of snarky/glee comments like " yay, finally " (contributing nothing but a lynch mob) I could be wrong though, but that's how I understood it.

I meant glee about the whole thing. I added "to all this" to try to make that clearer.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by kuschku »

dang wrote: post #434

This has gone beyond PR disaster theater and become an outlier. I've temporarily banned Michael's account until it is resolved. Commenters here should be considering scenarios in which glee would not be a humane response to all this.

It is sad that this was necessary, and we can just hope that Michael will be able to post a serious answer to this debacle.
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