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Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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There is no such thing as "Stolen" content.

If that's true, there's also no such thing as "stealing" at all.

Consider a novelist who works for 10 years on her novel. A hacker steals the document from her computer and publishes it online under his own name. He makes $100M.

Is it wrong for the novelist to feel like someone stole from her? What word would you use instead?

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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And they shouldn't. Thats not their job.

As it is not the job of the street vendor to know from where come these Rolex.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but it is illegal to sell stolen or fake merchandise in the United States. Anyone selling fake Rolexes is committing a crime and could also be sued.

Saying that Google is "selling" stolen content isn't that clear, though. Yes, they're selling ads on search results, but wouldn't they get the same ad revenue regardless of where those links pointed?

It's easier to make the case with AdSense, where Google literally profits directly from stolen content.

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #11
post #6

There is no such thing as "Stolen" content.

If that's true, there's also no such thing as "stealing" at all. Consider a novelist who works for 10 years on her novel. A hacker steals the document from her computer and publishes it online under his own name. He makes $100M. Is it wrong for the novelist to feel like someone stole from her? What word would you use instead?

The book has not yet been published, so this is stealing. But once you put up something in the internet, it is officially available to everyone. Doing stuff with public information is fine IMO. Same as analyzing tweet data (tweets are public).

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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This is not stealing, and even if it is illegal that is a bad way to put it. Also, google's service is primarily to the searcher so this isn't a huge issue for them.

> google's service is primarily to the searcher

You are very wrong. For many years, nearly 100% of Google's revenue was from AdSense.

What if someone spends days writing an article and posts it on his blog. Then, someone else copies and pastes it onto BuzzFeed, which becomes the top search result for that topic.

BuzzFeed is making money that the same blogger would have made from his own content. Now, also assume Google serves ads to BuzzFeed, but it does not serve ads to the blogger. Google has a financial interest in ignoring the provenance of the content in this case.

Is all of that ethically acceptable?

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, there's also no such thing as "stealing" at all. Consider a novelist who works for 10 years on her novel. A hacker steals the document from her computer and publishes it online under his own name. He makes $100M. Is it wrong for the novelist to feel like someone stole from her? What word would you use instead?

The book has not yet been published , so this is stealing. But once you put up something in the internet, it is officially available to everyone. Doing stuff with public information is fine IMO. Same as analyzing tweet data (tweets are public).

What if the book has been published in paper form? The book is public as long as you pay for it.

Since internet isn't free, you're still paying for content. At what point are you paying "enough" that the information isn't public anymore?

Are you saying no one should monetize their content using ads unless they're willing to allow anyone else to do that as well?

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #11
post #6

There is no such thing as "Stolen" content.

If that's true, there's also no such thing as "stealing" at all. Consider a novelist who works for 10 years on her novel. A hacker steals the document from her computer and publishes it online under his own name. He makes $100M. Is it wrong for the novelist to feel like someone stole from her? What word would you use instead?

> What word would you use instead?

Infringing. (duh)

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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This may be pedantic, but is stolen the right word to use? I think plagiarized is more accurate.

Plagiarism can also apply to copying content without using the exact same wording. In my mind, "stolen" means copying verbatim.

Plagiarism comes from a word meaning "kidnapping" though, so the tone of both words is pretty similar.

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #16
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, there's also no such thing as "stealing" at all. Consider a novelist who works for 10 years on her novel. A hacker steals the document from her computer and publishes it online under his own name. He makes $100M. Is it wrong for the novelist to feel like someone stole from her? What word would you use instead?

> What word would you use instead? Infringing. (duh)

I can't tell if you're joking, but "infringe" means "to violate" which implies that there is a law or agreement that's being broken. That makes it sound like you agree with the idea that this is stealing.

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #17

This may be pedantic, but is stolen the right word to use? I think plagiarized is more accurate.

Plagiarism can also apply to copying content without using the exact same wording. In my mind, "stolen" means copying verbatim. Plagiarism comes from a word meaning "kidnapping" though, so the tone of both words is pretty similar.

Stolen implies that the original owner no longer has access to the data due to the actions of the perpetrator.

Re: Google doesn't recognise or penalise stolen content

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post #18
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What word would you use instead? Infringing. (duh)

I can't tell if you're joking, but "infringe" means "to violate" which implies that there is a law or agreement that's being broken. That makes it sound like you agree with the idea that this is stealing.

The law you're looking for is ~copyright~. The fact that the work isn't actually stolen is the keystone in how you can take the copyright case to trial. It's pretty hard to prove infringement if you have no record of the original work (ie it's been stolen).
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