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New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

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Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#131
post #95

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Yeah, tying this to an unproven web streaming service seems like the modern equivalent of giving a show a time slot in the middle of the night. Maybe worse, actually. The "Captain Worf" show was AFAIK never in serious consideration. Michael Dorn was a huge fan of the idea and kept proposing it everywhere he went, which is the only reason it gained as much publicity as it did, but as far as I can tell it was never tak…

I don't know that a post-TNG Worf would be all that interesting anyway. He largely overcame his struggle between his Klingon and Star Fleet self, which is where most of his appeal lay (for me at least).

DS9 Worf was pretty interesting.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#132
post #111

Trek at it's best: 1. Isn't afraid of being slow, talky, and philosophical (Sorry J.J.). TNG had many excellent episodes specifically because it was willing to risk being "boring", while DS9 evolved Trek into the homogeneous "action" formula that has dominated Voyager, most of Enterprise, and the recent movies. 2. Is a force for idealism. The captains of Star Trek are paragons of humanity, and are supposed to find th…

A TNG episode was censored in the UK for about a decade too, where the character Data talks about the "Irish Reunification of 2024" as an example where terrorism as a strategy worked. JJTrek doesn't need to worry about censors there's nothing of substance in love triangles set in space.

As for relying on tech deus-ex-machina TNG writers used to send off scripts to physics professors and have them fill in gaps about nanotechnology and other unknown late 80s technology. They were replaced in Voyager by studio cronies which is why everything is solved by "re-polarizing the deflector dish".

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#133

They'd better just blow out the stops, go like 4000 years in the future and start imagining some out there stuff. I don't need people in makeup and masks fondling iPads and acting all utopian cause Roddenberry said so.

I guess there are lots of other franchises to watch. I don't know why they'd butcher this one because some folks have tired of it.

There's not other franchises that get Star Trek money and some room to make mistakes.

I watch way too much TV but am finally getting sick of it, the commercial requirements end up favoring safe stuff.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#134
post #111

Trek at it's best: 1. Isn't afraid of being slow, talky, and philosophical (Sorry J.J.). TNG had many excellent episodes specifically because it was willing to risk being "boring", while DS9 evolved Trek into the homogeneous "action" formula that has dominated Voyager, most of Enterprise, and the recent movies. 2. Is a force for idealism. The captains of Star Trek are paragons of humanity, and are supposed to find th…

DS9 had to deal with the "grey" areas of civilization and military organizations in the latter seasons and they did it very well, as well as what happens to society when it has been griped by fear (e.g. shapeshifter agents on earth).

Enterprise started kinda ok (not great) but then 9/11 happened (which happened technically like a week or 2 before the 1st season aired, but it was too fresh to touch) which meant that it had to deal with that thing with it's very own 9/11 in the 3rd season.

With the 4th season they pretty much went into "concept-album" fan service type of self containing arcs and it was pretty damn freaking good, they brought allot of excellent talent specifically Manny Coto which pretty much made the biggest fan service production once he was made the executive producer and the exclusive writer of the show. With maybe 1 or 2 exceptions i put every episode of Season 4 of Enterprise in my personal hall of fame both in terms of Star Trek and general Scifi episodes.

Episodes like In a Mirror, Darkly, These Are the Voyages, United are what Star Trek should look like and they had a full season of them.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#135
post #36

> available exclusively in the United States on CBS All Access > will also be distributed concurrently for television So, is it on TV or not?

For the concurrent distribution, I believe they are referring only to international distribution. For example, House of Cards was broadcast on traditional TV channels in countries that did not have Netflix (like Australia, New Zealand, and India).

They state in the press release that it will premiere on TV then move to their steaming service.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#137

They'd better just blow out the stops, go like 4000 years in the future and start imagining some out there stuff. I don't need people in makeup and masks fondling iPads and acting all utopian cause Roddenberry said so.

When watching Star Trek, I wonder what kind of science fiction the characters would read in the 24th century. I think 64th century would certainly cover that. :)

Far too many characters are (conveniently) interested in Shakespeare or 20th century culture.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#138
post #125

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I'm not a hardcore fan either I watched TNG, DS9 and Voyager as just another Scifi show back when MGM, Paramount and 20cent Fox still wanted to make television we had Stargate, Babylon 5, Star Trek, then Scifi was pretty much left to in the hands of syndicated TV productions and basic cable which resulted in well meh. Shows like BSG are pretty much unicorn's these days no one seems to want to make serious scifi the b…

Ascension was interesting but I believe canceled as a series last time I checked on wikipedia. yup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_%28miniseries%29#Pot...

It was never a series it was a backdoor pilot produced as a mini-series. Battlestar Galactica was made in the same manner it was just intended to be a mini-series / made for tv movie and it was't picked up for a show until the overseas ratings came in and Sky pretty much offered Syfy to help produce it.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#139

"CBS All Access"? Nobody wants to buy individual streaming services from every studio/network. Stop trying to make it happen. Just sign a deal with Netflix or Amazon[1] and accept you missed the boat. [1] And really Amazon is only acceptable because it's free.[2] [2] Given that having Prime is pretty much non-negotiable anyway.

Netflix and Amazon don't seem to be interested in becoming the Comcast or direct tv of the Internet.

The amount of content Netflix and Amazon can create is limited. They cannot pay for every tv show for 100-120 bucks a year. Look at what a mature company like HBO produces for 180 a year. 3-5 hour long prestige dramas. 5-8 half hour comedies. Some low expense reality tv like Bill Mayer or Real Sports.

Netflix may be able to scale better, if they get 80% of households they can go cheaper. But they aren't going to be q total replacement for all media.

And you don't want them too. One company with control over all media would be a disaster.

Re: New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

#140

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> I really hope that this won't be in the rebooted universe because it was well kinda meh I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but was very disappointed with the new films. They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. Every little thing that made Star Trek entertaining has been stripped away. Not too surprising considering JJ Abrams told in an interview that "I would watch epis…

They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. You've just described the Wrath of Khan, considered one of the finest films in the franchise. Hell, a good number of episodes in every series in the franchise were just action in space... the Best of Both Worlds is literally just Us vs The Borg. Fans have incredibly rose tinted glasses regarding ST. For every City on the Edge of F…

To call "The Wrath of Khan" generic action is pretty unfair, especially when compared against it's clone/reboot "Into Darkness". TWOK opens with Kirk pondering his own mortality and some of the universal concerns of aging. ID opens with a Spock apparently deciding to off himself, with no real motivation or development of that decision given. We can quibble about the intervening parts but for my part I find the action and suspense in TWOK much better, and more importantly, logically motivated. What was the point of the entire battle on Q'onos in ID, other than to just look cool? What sort of character development occured between Kirk and Spock?

Finally, we get to the end, and the most egregious difference between the two. In TWOK we get a tense cat and mouse chase through the nebula, which is won, CRUCIALLY, by out-thinking your opponent. The whole "2d thinking" thing and what not. I admit it's probably not the most air-tight of plot points, but it perfectly demonstrates the difference between the two movies, because ID ends with a loud (visually and sonically) fist-fight that is won by the person who punches hardest. Yay I guess.

Anyway, Star Trek is definitely not all sunshine and rainbows but it is crucially several things that the new movies are not: It prioritizes communication and curiousity over violence and dominance. It is not trying to be cynical or "edgy" in an attempt to be mature. The struggle of people working together to overcome a problem and find a positive solution or compromise can and is every bit as exciting as a phaser battle. And finally, that it is fundamentally optimistic, not in a the sort of "magic technology makes everything awesome" way that the new series seems, but that humans can come together and make things better for each other, the no-win scenario does not exist (mostly) and that we have to work hard to make this come true, but it is do-able.

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