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Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by riffraff »

kuschku wrote: post #59
archon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all non-board employees have full immunity, even if they worked on the defeat device I'm not trying to pick a fight, but how is that in any way honorable?

Because this defeat device is nothing you should blame on a single engineer, it is clearly a systematic issue, and normal engineers should not be held accountable for actions that the CEO and board forced them to do.

and yet the "I was only following orders" line of defense should not be very popular anymore, especially in a german context.

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by [deleted] »

kuschku wrote: post #59
archon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all non-board employees have full immunity, even if they worked on the defeat device I'm not trying to pick a fight, but how is that in any way honorable?

Because this defeat device is nothing you should blame on a single engineer, it is clearly a systematic issue, and normal engineers should not be held accountable for actions that the CEO and board forced them to do.

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Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by balabaster »

nerdy wrote: post #77
balabaster wrote: post #41

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Mostly it's inspiring because most people sit back and say "It can't be done, it's impossible" or "wow, they must have had a shit ton of luck to get this out of the door" instead of looking for solutions or ways to circumvent or exploit the million little problems along the way that seek to obstruct the endgame. Kudos to these guys for sticking at it long enough and persevering to achieve their vision.

My inspiration from massive science projects is more like: "With that in mind, debugging this 1500-line function is nothing!"

Dude... refactor that shit. There is no place in today's development world that a 1500 line function is okay :P

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by radiorental »

kuschku wrote: post #59
archon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all non-board employees have full immunity, even if they worked on the defeat device I'm not trying to pick a fight, but how is that in any way honorable?

Because this defeat device is nothing you should blame on a single engineer, it is clearly a systematic issue, and normal engineers should not be held accountable for actions that the CEO and board forced them to do.

exactly this. Beacause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by PeterStuer »

flexie wrote: post #43
insulanian wrote: post #22

That's how Germans do it - they keep quiet and just do it. Respect!

Sometimes they keep it very quiet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal No, seriously. All these statements about German character or German mentality should stop. If the last few months haven't taught us anything else, at least it should have taught us that. First, Germans and the German government were praised as reliable in connection with the Grexit (as opposed to the Greeks), then a few mon…

Not to absolve the Germans in any way, but the French, Swedish and US automobile industry was caught with this kind of cheating software 15 years before the Germans. It doesn't seem to be a nationality thing. http://www.transportenvironment.org/publications/cycle-beati...

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by wjk »

illumen wrote: post #61
[deleted] wrote: post #52

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[ED: this was in response to a deleted comment about world war 3 coming...] I can assure you Germany is not out of trash. Germany is still years away from 100% renewable. But is actually making progress to there. There's a lot of coal still dug up and burnt for example. Germany has had lots of immigrants for decades, and things have been mostly peaceful. The current leader (Angela Merkel) is considered to be from the…

Whats wrong with its GDP? The PPP per capita is right around Sweden, a little above average for a first world country. Why should it be higher?

I agree that internet should be much better than it currently is though, yet still far from bad. Australias internet made me really sad when lived there... maybe everything feels good in comparison to that.

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by justifier »

jakeogh wrote: post #11

Wendelstein 7-X - from concept to reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyqt6u5_sHA Im Zeitraffer: Zusammenbau von Wendelstein 7-X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJpSrqitSMQ (best @ 0.56x) Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10437075 More: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAx243-m51RI-k_4lsAqidA/fee...

the first video claims a magnetic field strength of 2.5 Tesla(o) roughly that of an MRI(i)

can anyone speak to sort of considerations that lead to this value? 2.5T seems insignificant considering the events it will be confining

how sensitive is the field to magnetic interactions outside of the device?

(o) https://youtu.be/lyqt6u5_sHA?t=301 (i) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(unit)#Examples

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by mtgx »

archon wrote: post #54
kuschku wrote: post #48

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And how did VW handle it? CEO resigned, 10 board members suspended, all non-management employees (engineers, programmers, etc) have full immunity, even if they worked on the defeat device. That’s the most honorable reaction one could expect, and it allows to get rid of the issue.

> all non-board employees have full immunity, even if they worked on the defeat device I'm not trying to pick a fight, but how is that in any way honorable?

Didn't they blame two engineers for it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/08/volkswagen-emissio...

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by Practicality »

balabaster wrote: post #83
nerdy wrote: post #77

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My inspiration from massive science projects is more like: "With that in mind, debugging this 1500-line function is nothing!"

Dude... refactor that shit. There is no place in today's development world that a 1500 line function is okay :P

Indeed. It will save you from needing inspiration to debug it as well. It's much less cognitive load when you break those crazy things into understandable parts.

Re: Germany is turning on its monster stellarator

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Post by TeMPOraL »

balabaster wrote: post #83
nerdy wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My inspiration from massive science projects is more like: "With that in mind, debugging this 1500-line function is nothing!"

Dude... refactor that shit. There is no place in today's development world that a 1500 line function is okay :P

When was the last time you've seen pure Assembly? Also, JavaScript namespacing shenanigans & stuff... :P.
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