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Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by kuschku »

467568985476 wrote: post #115
deepnet wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Founder Comment was over 1 hour ago and the seeming libel and doxxing of Lazer's full name, and employer are still up - an apology in words but not actions - messing with someones employment is egregious.

As minimaxir pointed out, she's not even an employee of Dice.com, she's works at the similarly named video game studio DICE. A legal minefield for Livecoding.tv for sure...

And she’s in the EU, and the company is headquartered in London, meaning this is going to have serious legal consequences.

If I had stocks in the company, I’d have sold by now. It’d be a miracle if the company would still be up and running by next week.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by deepnet »

vertis wrote: post #178

Slightly unrelated note, but I received a spam email from Michael@Livecoding.tv on Saturday. I will NEVER EVER use a site that spams like this: > Hey Luke, > I've been searching code repos and found that you also love coding. Would be cool to see your awesome code and projects on Livecoding.tv > Livecoding.tv is a livestreaming platform for coders to share their code and hang out. We have users from 194 countries and…

Weirdly on that page you can hire the CEO, Dr Micheal Garbade, for $35 / hr.

https://www.livecoding.tv/drmjg HIRE ME

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by kuschku »

krisdol wrote: post #122

At the beginning of her post, with her explaining why she got into streaming, she almost convinced me to start an account myself; needless to say, by the end of the post and judging from the comments here, there is no way in hell I'd sign up.

Good news! Many other livestreaming sites allow this!

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by kuschku »

anon5_ wrote: post #29

> "You are scheduled to be deleted on our next cron job. Nothing complex." Is this serious? What's a cron job have to do with knocking out information from a rdbms? I imagine a cron job could be useful if there was a script to clear out any static files - but you can also invoke the script manually. "Nothing complex" :)

I’ll quote another comment from minimaxir:

> You're joking, but a quick Google search of [site:livecoding.tv banned] shows that's exactly what is happening.

> https://www.livecoding.tv/2pointoh/

> https://www.livecoding.tv/hekton/

Which shows their usual procedure for deleting or banning is... vandalism.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by kuschku »

kordless wrote: post #5

The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…

The user in question here is in the EU, the startup has their HQ in the EU, so EU data laws apply, and the user has to be able to delete their account and all data stored.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by denniskane »

deepnet wrote: post #182
vertis wrote: post #178

Slightly unrelated note, but I received a spam email from Michael@Livecoding.tv on Saturday. I will NEVER EVER use a site that spams like this: > Hey Luke, > I've been searching code repos and found that you also love coding. Would be cool to see your awesome code and projects on Livecoding.tv > Livecoding.tv is a livestreaming platform for coders to share their code and hang out. We have users from 194 countries and…

Weirdly on that page you can hire the CEO, Dr Micheal Garbade, for $35 / hr. https://www.livecoding.tv/drmjg HIRE ME

>Python, Django, Sencha Touch :

>platform architecture feedback

>code review

>solving technical issues

>preparation for exams

>help on homework

>fixing bugs in code

Hmm... I don't find it particularly weird for the CEO of the next Twitch to be in the business of helping kids out with their programming assignments. I mean, how much does Larry Page get for his services... I would assume at least $50/hr!

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by AlwaysBCoding »

chrischen wrote: post #173
david_mitchell wrote: post #172

I'd guess this sort of thing results from the obsession over growth. They are desperate to make their user aquisition/retention numbers look good so they do scammy things to keep accounts. It's sad to see the aggressive behaviour though.

It's probably more likely that acquisition or retention isn't good, and this is done out of desperation.

It's probably this. I've livestreamed on Twitch + LiveCoding and have no clue why you would ever use LiveCoding. Twitch and Youtube seem like they're better in every capacity.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by austenallred »

prawn wrote: post #143
austenallred wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YC isn't going to run your company for you. This isn't a YC problem.

If I'm YC and I have invested in a company, I'm going to step in and give a bit of coaching in a situation like this. Especially when the solution is completely obvious and the core action required (deleting the account, sending a quick apology) would be minimal.

We're assuming they won't. It's a Sunday afternoon.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by meowface »

forgottenpass wrote: post #99
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #64

In the span of a just a few days we have YC-backed companies being publically outed for engaging in behavior which most of us consider pretty egregious and would certainly warrant any rights as YC founders to be revoked. The tone of commenters (here and w.r.t the Homejoy) can be described as mild shock. This particular example is perhaps even worse than the Homejoy issue, as it seems the founders have taken to person…

If you are Paul G./YC, what do you do about this? Nothing unless it gets bad press. Why do you think they care about "egregious" behavior? Quote From: What We Look For In Founders - Paul Graham - October 2010 [...] Naughtiness Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big qu…

I don't think that's fair. I strongly doubt PG considers spamming, or (falsely) naming & shaming customers, as "naughtiness". That's something very different.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by austenallred »

s5edvvddd wrote: post #98
minimaxir wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DICE.COM EMPLOYEE SPAMMING LIVECODING.TV Liza Shulyayeva banned for spamming. WORKS FOR DICE.com and is just spamming Livecoding.tv BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING+ BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING ...did they mispell their own startup in their vandalism? Also, per her LinkedIn, the OP works for DICE the game-development studio (subsidiary of EA, made Battlefield…

In the last 30 minutes they fixed the misspelling but kept the text as it is. This means someone is currently following this problem and thinks they are in the right by doing this.

This is incredible. I've never seen anything like this in my entire life.

A company blatantly pissing off much of its would-be userbase and sticking to its grossly incompetent guns, obviously not caring at all.

I literally cannot imagine a way they could handle this more poorly.

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