I naively assume that the only way to succeed big in wall street is to rely on insider information. The rules against insider trading only hurt those trading at home believing the playing field is level. But I don't know how it really works.
Making Insider Trading Legal
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#112I naively assume that the only way to succeed big in wall street is to rely on insider information. The rules against insider trading only hurt those trading at home believing the playing field is level. But I don't know how it really works.
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#113> Many people on Wall Street felt that Bharara’s crusade against insider trading was recklessly broad: An analyst like Horvath might knowingly obtain an illegal tip, but if he feeds his information up the chain to a Steinberg or a Cohen, and they take his word that he is not passing along stolen goods, should they really go to prison for that misplaced faith? Is it fair to convict someone of engaging in insider tradi…
But, there are separate laws for commercial entities who deal in second hand goods (like pawn shops). They must do proper due diligence when buying goods or they will be held accountable if those goods turn out to be stolen.
I would assume that financial firms should also be under extra scrutiny in the same way. But alas, our phony government has made it clear whose side they are on.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Reasonable and non-discriminatory" is a technical term, and I think it covers this case. If the company accepts everyone's calls, or everyone who owns more than x% of their stock, or charges you $y/minute, it's fine for them to reveal information that way. Revealing information to individuals that Big Mouth personally decides to go to dinner with is not ok.
Despite the fact that it's the same information? There's no distinction, in the example, between information that it's OK for Big Mouth to disclose and information that he can't disclose. Such forbidden information might exist and be known to Big Mouth, but Shylock didn't receive it. How can the only problem be that it was disclosed outside business hours?
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Theft benefits the thief while costing the person stolen from. > If one can backup and use a fuzzy enough lens, one can just ask "how should society calculate the total benefits here" but the problem is this begs the question of whether it's proper for the state to just ask these questions. But in the case of insider trading, there is no such person. Lambdapie identifies that there is a cost (yes!), but that cost o…
What if you considered the lost "profit" the non-insiders would have made from buying at 100 rather than 105, or 103, or whatever price results from normal speculative activity?
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK, lets get the camel's nose inside the tent. Imagine I am a janitor who works at Acme Inc. I notice that the board meets every Tuesday at 2:00 PM and they always laugh and seem to have fun. I can't hear anything behind the glass doors but it seems that they are all merry. Now, fast forward some time and I see that the meetings are not merry any more. It looks like there is a lot of yelling and banging on the confer…
The SEC would say yes. There was an employee who worked at a rail yard who noticed certain visitors and other things and decided to buy the stock. The company was purchased shortly thereafter. How did a couple of railroad yard workers catch wind of a multibillion-dollar leveraged buyout? The complaint says they suspected something was up when they saw “people dressed in business attire” taking tours of the rail yards…
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Theft benefits the thief while costing the person stolen from. > If one can backup and use a fuzzy enough lens, one can just ask "how should society calculate the total benefits here" but the problem is this begs the question of whether it's proper for the state to just ask these questions. But in the case of insider trading, there is no such person. Lambdapie identifies that there is a cost (yes!), but that cost o…
What if you considered the lost "profit" the non-insiders would have made from buying at 100 rather than 105, or 103, or whatever price results from normal speculative activity?
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#118If everyone with inside information could trade on it without fearing the law, they would reveal the predicted effect of said information via movements in the price of the security. Therefore, free and legal insider trading would actually increase fairness in the market.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
See http://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2015/10/25/whats-the-harm...
I didn't understand that article, probably because I'm unfamiliar with the author's other works. Is he proposing that a company be allowed to set rules regarding insider trading during the IPO? If so, I agree that in theory this would be efficient (or in the author's terminology, it would be acceptable from a consequentialist POV). But this is orthogonal to the issue. The people who want to ban insider trading would…
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#120> Many people on Wall Street felt that Bharara’s crusade against insider trading was recklessly broad: An analyst like Horvath might knowingly obtain an illegal tip, but if he feeds his information up the chain to a Steinberg or a Cohen, and they take his word that he is not passing along stolen goods, should they really go to prison for that misplaced faith? Is it fair to convict someone of engaging in insider tradi…
Which country is that? Does "illegal" mean criminal liability or just that the sale is void?
edit: criminal liability indeed