My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga • Hacker News Board

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by austenallred » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:27 PM UTC

nemexy wrote: post #109

austenallred wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the founders suck at dealing with users. YC doesn't run your company for you.

I really did not wanted to blame YC. My mention of them is mostly because they are the biggest incubator, so people who get in should have at least minimum amount of marketing skills. They literally make fool of themselves in front of their main "customers" and apparantly we are still talking about one of the cofounders. You are trying to run companies worth millions and do such stupid mistakes, it is just beyond und…

I think it's because that doesn't scale to seventy companies without being a hinderance. I'm sure the skills are there, the problem is unless the founders ask UC doesn't know where to deploy them.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by ChicagoBoy11 » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:33 PM UTC

forgottenpass wrote: post #99

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #64

In the span of a just a few days we have YC-backed companies being publically outed for engaging in behavior which most of us consider pretty egregious and would certainly warrant any rights as YC founders to be revoked. The tone of commenters (here and w.r.t the Homejoy) can be described as mild shock. This particular example is perhaps even worse than the Homejoy issue, as it seems the founders have taken to person…

If you are Paul G./YC, what do you do about this? Nothing unless it gets bad press. Why do you think they care about "egregious" behavior? Quote From: What We Look For In Founders - Paul Graham - October 2010 [...] Naughtiness Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big qu…

This is a fair point. It's just that in this particular instance, I feel that their actions crossed into the "evil" category -- they dig up PPI on one of their users and plaster it on the site, slandering her in the process. This is different than "creatively" interpreting some piece of regulation or something of the sort. I take your point, though.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by phpnode » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:34 PM UTC

s5edvvddd wrote: post #98

minimaxir wrote: post #33

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DICE.COM EMPLOYEE SPAMMING LIVECODING.TV Liza Shulyayeva banned for spamming. WORKS FOR DICE.com and is just spamming Livecoding.tv BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING+ BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING ...did they mispell their own startup in their vandalism? Also, per her LinkedIn, the OP works for DICE the game-development studio (subsidiary of EA, made Battlefield…

In the last 30 minutes they fixed the misspelling but kept the text as it is. This means someone is currently following this problem and thinks they are in the right by doing this.

This behaviour is absolutely incredible, probably the most tone-deaf response I've ever seen.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by nissehulth » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:34 PM UTC

drakonka wrote: post #100

jamiegreen wrote: post #59

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Hi drakonka, I have only just found out about this, and was until now not aware of what happened. I don't know why my cofounder Michael marked you as spam, and I will ask him to contact you. I can only apologise for the handling of your account deletion, it really is not acceptable that it took so long, so we will make it a priority to improve this.

Looks like you guys just corrected the spelling of your website name on my profile (previously "LIIVECODING.TV"), which is still accusing me of spamming. Is this the kind of improvement you had in mind?

"like watching a train wreck in slow motion" is an expression I've never felt the need to use. Until now.

This is unacceptable behavior from any business.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by 467568985476 » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

deepnet wrote: post #103

jamiegreen wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi drakonka, I have only just found out about this, and was until now not aware of what happened. I don't know why my cofounder Michael marked you as spam, and I will ask him to contact you. I can only apologise for the handling of your account deletion, it really is not acceptable that it took so long, so we will make it a priority to improve this.

Founder Comment was over 1 hour ago and the seeming libel and doxxing of Lazer's full name, and employer are still up - an apology in words but not actions - messing with someones employment is egregious.

As minimaxir pointed out, she's not even an employee of Dice.com, she's works at the similarly named video game studio DICE. A legal minefield for Livecoding.tv for sure...

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by MichaelGG » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #11

It's worth noting that when Livecoding.tv first launched, you were forced to register and log-in to watch any videos. It took an entire thread on Hacker News to force the founders to backpeddle once they were caught: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9800321 This isn't the first YC startup I've seen with such blatant "growth hacking" tactics, and it's disappointing.

I'd think the requirement for Flash would undo any growth hacking.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by benologist » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:36 PM UTC

nemexy wrote: post #109

austenallred wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the founders suck at dealing with users. YC doesn't run your company for you.

I really did not wanted to blame YC. My mention of them is mostly because they are the biggest incubator, so people who get in should have at least minimum amount of marketing skills. They literally make fool of themselves in front of their main "customers" and apparantly we are still talking about one of the cofounders. You are trying to run companies worth millions and do such stupid mistakes, it is just beyond und…

Founders of Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Linux, Oracle, Tesla and probably many more have been famous for childish or angry stuff. It's not very uncommon.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by pkaye » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:39 PM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #85

tylerlh wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does YC not provide any kind of guidance or coaching around customer support and PR to founders during the program? Seems like that should be a really important topic, given how situations like this impact not only the reputation of the startup, but also YC itself.

YC isn't going to run your company for you. This isn't a YC problem.

Will it will become a YC problem with all the bad PR.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by deepnet » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:41 PM UTC

s5edvvddd wrote: post #98

minimaxir wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DICE.COM EMPLOYEE SPAMMING LIVECODING.TV Liza Shulyayeva banned for spamming. WORKS FOR DICE.com and is just spamming Livecoding.tv BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING+ BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING ...did they mispell their own startup in their vandalism? Also, per her LinkedIn, the OP works for DICE the game-development studio (subsidiary of EA, made Battlefield…

In the last 30 minutes they fixed the misspelling but kept the text as it is. This means someone is currently following this problem and thinks they are in the right by doing this.

Good catch.

The vitriol was spelt LIIVECODING now it has been corrected to LIVECODING - wow, just wow.

Re: My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga

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Post by pkaye » Sun, Nov 01, 2015, 9:42 PM UTC

anon5_ wrote: post #29

> "You are scheduled to be deleted on our next cron job. Nothing complex." Is this serious? What's a cron job have to do with knocking out information from a rdbms? I imagine a cron job could be useful if there was a script to clear out any static files - but you can also invoke the script manually. "Nothing complex" :)

Maybe their sysadmin got replaced by a cron job.