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This isn't the first YC startup I've seen with such blatant "growth hacking" tactics, and it's disappointing.
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I think you are quoting the part the protects their( livecoding.tv's ) intellectual property and , and not the streamer. The license for the streamers stars at 11.Broadcasters. It seems you are allowed to cancel the license: 11. Broadcasters a.License from Livecoding.tv. If you sign up for an account as a Streamer, subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, Livecoding.tv hereby grants to you a personal,…
I read through that, but that last part basically says "if someone hasn't watched your content, you can revoke the license from the content by deleting it". If anyone has seen any of the other content, the company owns a perpetual license for it. Regarding their site content, it would appear they think they own everything on the site, including user content: > Unless otherwise indicated, all Content and other materia…
> Unless otherwise indicated, all Content and other materials on the Livecoding.tv Services, including, without limitation...
... are protected by United States copyright, trade dress, patent, and trademark laws, international conventions, and all other relevant intellectual property and proprietary rights, and applicable laws (including in your country of residence).
Where does it say that they own everything?? You are interpreting this whole contract incorrectly.
The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…
> expecting ownership of your content after giving up ownership of your content is logically unsound. ...which is why the OP is only really concerned about account deletion, not content deletion (the second half of the article). I am surprised Livecoding has not figured a way to have even a "shell" account with no personal data left but still have the content left untouched, considering the stringent EU laws surround…
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I think you are quoting the part the protects their( livecoding.tv's ) intellectual property and , and not the streamer. The license for the streamers stars at 11.Broadcasters. It seems you are allowed to cancel the license: 11. Broadcasters a.License from Livecoding.tv. If you sign up for an account as a Streamer, subject to your compliance with these Terms of Service, Livecoding.tv hereby grants to you a personal,…
I read through that, but that last part basically says "if someone hasn't watched your content, you can revoke the license from the content by deleting it". If anyone has seen any of the other content, the company owns a perpetual license for it. Regarding their site content, it would appear they think they own everything on the site, including user content: > Unless otherwise indicated, all Content and other materia…
I read that as "if someone is watching a video, they don't suddenly lose their license just because the author removed the video from the platform". Which is reasonable, IMO.
That goes on to list all types of content, that the content is trademarked, copyrighted, etc. and then states they own all of the licenses to it, as I mention in my comment above.
Yes, but then they "otherwise indicate" that you license your content to them, ie., you own it.
This is a terrible practice for consumers, but a huge strategy win for startups(AOL zombie account trick .. hope they forget about wanting to delete or cancel). I ran into this awful practice with Uber after a hack they know about lets your account be hacked by London drivers who rip you off for rides in London (im in the states). I went to my forgotten Uber account to cancel and found out I have to email support and…
Can you change the gender on your account? Switch it over to male and set up a couple dozen pseudonyms to throw off their count. If Livecoding has aligned their interests with the gender ratio of their users to the extent that they're treating you like this, makes sense to speak back to them on their own terms. IMHO.
I didn't actually connect their shadiness about deleting my account with gender and am honestly not convinced that this is it. Sure, they were kind of pushy about promoting the site to women, but there is actually no gender identification on my profile other than my profile picture. I can't remember if gender was specified somewhere in my account settings but then not publicly displayed at this point.
The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…
Trying to shift blame with a "it's your own fault, you signed up" may satisfy a lawyer, but it doesn't really do much for customer relations.
I've been unimpressed with LiveCoding.tv's spammy tactics as well. The decided to enable email notification of video streams for users who have already signed up by using an opt-out system rather than opt-in system. I created an account out of casual interest and then weeks later got slammed with dozens of spammy "stream is starting" emails every day. I did actually try to delete my account as well but gave up when i…
The issue here is not that Livecoding.tv isn't removing this individual's account, but that individuals sign up for things with the expectation they have rights to their data. Here's a gem from Livecoding.tv's TOS which clearly indicates their intent with other people's data: > All Materials contained on the Livecoding.tv Service are the proprietary property of Livecoding.tv or its subsidiaries or affiliated companie…