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Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by SomeCallMeTim »

manigandham wrote: post #313
SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>throwing PCI compliance and SSL encryption out the window If they were using Stripe or similar, then they don't have access to your credit cards. Only the last four digits and expiration.

Yet without HTTPS anyone changing or entering new credit card info is at risk on this site. There's also personal information like where to find spare keys and stuff; it should be a lot more secure than this.

Stripe won't let you submit a credit card except through their form, which will be submitted through https.

Not defending the rest of the site. Just pointing out what I felt was not a problem. There are plenty of problems to go around, though.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by Blaaguuu »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #237
cbhl wrote: post #64

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Some banks allow charges through to cancelled cards -- beware!

Hrm I've never heard of this apart from automatic billing systems ability to request the new card number. Any more specific info about that? I'm interested in how this is possible.

I know that when I canceled my American Express card, they said that they would keep the account open for an X amount of time (I wanna say ~1 year), and I would be responsible for any charges during that period, and billed normally. However that was a case of canceling because I was just closing the account - not because of fraud... I assume they have different processes.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by aws_ls »

Really surprised to see this story, get so many votes. Yes, this guy did not act very properly, and seems like its a desperate act to salvage an old business. Admittedly the copying of UI CSS from a competitor was a clear wrong, but all the others passing on data, kind of like a grey area, Ok its wrong if I have to choose one option. But what the heck, cut him some slack, he has posted immediately with his real name. What do you want, shame him into killing himself? The insensitivity is simply shocking to me. You have acted as a lynch mob today (hiding behind the technicalities), I am sorry to say that.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

roel_v wrote: post #268
andy_ppp wrote: post #154

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I'm actually tempted to write a response so harsh I'd probably be banned from hacker news. Instead I genuinely hope that YC will force companies taking the 7% into a no selling on data policy; I'm not saying that is easy to write but I am saying this situation without response smears YC, something I'm sure could be avoided in future.

"Instead I genuinely hope that YC will force companies taking the 7% into a no selling on data policy" I did a paper on (sort of) this in law school. My focus was on civil law systems and I'm not claiming I'm the world's foremost expert on this topic. With that out of the way, it's not that easy. When a company goes bankrupt, it doesn't have a say on what happens to its assets. Furthermore, a liquidator doesn't have…

What about a legal agreement with the users that the information will be deleted before a bankruptcy is filed and if they fail to deliver, then the users are owed so much for failure to deliver on the contract (and this debt is created in such a way it takes priority over other debt). Make the debt big enough that anyone owed money for a reason other than this deal (so investors and such) would see a greater payout by deleting the information and selling the other assets with their normal claim to its worth than by attempting to sell the customer data and split the proceeds with all the users.

Also make it legally solid enough that even if there was a lawsuit, the cost of the lawsuit would be higher than the worth of the data.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by otterley »

ihnorton wrote: post #347
otterley wrote: post #341

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A contract requires mutual consideration. Whatever someone says in their dying breath doesn't constitute a contract. A last will, perhaps, but not a contract. (To my knowledge, estate law does not apply to corporations.)

The consideration provided by HomeJoy's customers was, naturally, payment.

Past consideration is not consideration for a new offer.

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Post by psykovsky »

freework wrote: post #332
phonon wrote: post #90

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Also interesting, the homeaglow.com zendesk account (now shut down) has all its entries created by "AJ Hung" https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Fhomeag... (look at the cached pages). One of the first employees of Homejoy was Daniel Hung https://twitter.com/danhung Anyone want to tweet him and ask? :-)

This is a total nitpick, but I was actually Homejoy's first engineer. I was fired after 4 days, and then they hired Dan to replace me. This has no relevance whatsoever, I just thought I'd clarify that one bit :)

He dis say "ONE of the first" and not "the first". Unnecessary nitpick, I'll give you that...

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by psykovsky »

volaski wrote: post #297
ikeboy wrote: post #279

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http://www.businessinsider.com/aaron-cheung-brings-homejoy-c...

"Homejoy, the dead cleaning startup that shuttered its doors in August, has apparently awoken from the grave to email its customers about a new partner" ==> I was so close!

IHNception?

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by andy_ppp »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #354
roel_v wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Instead I genuinely hope that YC will force companies taking the 7% into a no selling on data policy" I did a paper on (sort of) this in law school. My focus was on civil law systems and I'm not claiming I'm the world's foremost expert on this topic. With that out of the way, it's not that easy. When a company goes bankrupt, it doesn't have a say on what happens to its assets. Furthermore, a liquidator doesn't have…

What about a legal agreement with the users that the information will be deleted before a bankruptcy is filed and if they fail to deliver, then the users are owed so much for failure to deliver on the contract (and this debt is created in such a way it takes priority over other debt). Make the debt big enough that anyone owed money for a reason other than this deal (so investors and such) would see a greater payout b…

Brilliant idea, it's essentially you are giving a permanent license to your info; the problem below is a real one though, the investments we are seeing are often clearly hedged against resale of data... A rather scary market when Stripe will just charge credit cards if you have a users token!

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by n72 »

iamcurious wrote: post #140
aarontcheung wrote: post #125

I'm one of the founders of Homejoy. I'm still very passionate about the home service space. After leaving Homejoy, I started FlyMaids, where we're exploring a few different angles on the space. We recently acquired the customer and service provider data from Homejoy. We're a small team that has been focused on moving quickly while bootstraping. We tried to quickly test different approaches, but we realize now that we…

I'm starting to read "passionate about" as "wanting to make money of". I have to make an effort to read it in the classical sense. I fear the same will happen with "share". And when my kids talk about sharing at school I will only think of flooding with memes or of selling things. Now, I'm not a native english speaker, so I can't say if aarontcheung is misusing the term or not. Is this change happening to the english…

A particularly good example of a delusional use of "passion" by homejoy's other founder here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8794956

"i can't be 100% sure but i think people choose to work here because they believe homejoy is not just another cool startup; it’s a mission; it's a passion. we're building things that enable and will change the way people live and work. this is not an overnight venture; we know it'll take a long time, and we’re all committed to it."

Yeah, that's not miopic, self-important and delusional at all.

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