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Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

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So if Facebook loses the lawsuit, what happens? They pay the shareholders some relatively small amount and have to pay the directors less... until Mark signs the right document then they can pay them whatever they want?

It will be a reminder to Mark Zuckerberg to take more care in his fiduciary duties, like signing with the correct letterhead.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

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post #51

So if Facebook loses the lawsuit, what happens? They pay the shareholders some relatively small amount and have to pay the directors less... until Mark signs the right document then they can pay them whatever they want?

It will be a reminder to Mark Zuckerberg to take more care in his fiduciary duties, like signing with the correct letterhead.

Generally it's the lawyers that put paper in front of the CEO, saying: 'Sign this." They are supposed to get it right.

If he's annoyed about it, there will be a new job opening in the Facebook legal department.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#53
post #51

So if Facebook loses the lawsuit, what happens? They pay the shareholders some relatively small amount and have to pay the directors less... until Mark signs the right document then they can pay them whatever they want?

It will be a reminder to Mark Zuckerberg to take more care in his fiduciary duties, like signing with the correct letterhead.

he should get someone under 30 to do that for him

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you are the first to introduce something then I think it is fair to say you are being innovative. They were both critically important to the success of Facebook so I think we have to give credit where credit is due.

A real name policy cannot possibly be an innovation, or if it were it predates all modern technology. FWIW, Usenet culture was overwhelmingly based on people communicating under their real names. Ergo, not the first to do so. The second - initially limiting your userbase to an exclusive demographic, is but a restriction or marketing maneuver at best, and again hardly the first to do such a thing. You have to be inten…

That must have been a different usenet than the one I was using, which was full of people like you with names like Farty McTwatwaffle.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#55
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say it's not reflected in price?

There are a ton of reasons for the price to be "wrong" if a particular practice is unusual or new. Markets only function as well as the people involved in them. If the people are all acting (unwittingly) on incomplete, incorrect, or insufficient information, then one would expect there to be risks that haven't been "priced in".

Unknown risks are priced in. You just can't really tell how much you should discount because the risks are, well, unknown. If that DNA company from last week would have been public, with one class of shares, and I had bought shares two weeks ago - well, I price them with one of the components being 'there might be some colossal skeleton in the closet' (or take Enron two weeks before the SHTF). It's not like I 'priced it wrong', at least not in any common meaning of the term; because it would basically redefine 'correct pricing' to 'higher realized profit at some point' and would make the concept of 'price' something that can only be assessed ex post.

It doesn't mean that the non (or lesser) voting shares are priced wrong; in fact, by definition, they are priced at what the market values them.

Also, different classes of shares aren't exactly 'new' or 'unusual'. http://www.slideshare.net/nimishhalkar/a-brief-history-of-pr... claims that the first preferential shares were issued in 1836 (yes, it's a different kind of 'preferential' than what we're talking about, but it's still a species of the genus 'share differentiation') E.g. they're a very common vehicle for structuring profit sharing in several civil law jurisdictions I happen to know of.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#56

An interesting issue here is if the 2-voting-class design is sustainable for new companies. The bottom of the article notes the issue with the legal docs "took place in 2013." I wish the author would have spent more time grappling with 2-class voting (which TBH the major focus of the article) rather than Zuck's clerical error. The problem with 2-class voting is that it dilutes the inherent value of non-voting shares…

Dual-class voting structures have been around forever. Ford and Berkshire Hathaway are two prominent examples. Historically, they've been relatively rare, and the non-voting shares don't trade at much of a discount. It's rare that individual shareholders get to exercise their voting rights anyway.

The interesting trend now is that so many tech companies have dual-class supervoting shares. It sends the message that a few titans of industry basically make all the decisions, and everybody else is along for the ride. Which is probably where we are, economically, right now, but seems disheartening.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#57
The "investors" suing are just working with/for attorneys that extort massive legal fees and damages from public companies for a living. This case has nothing to do with the underlying conduct, which was merely a clerical error. These attorneys are one of the big reasons that unicorns are staying private.

The most famous of these bottom-feeding attorneys, Bill Lerach, built an estimated net worth of $700 million [1] by creating exactly these kinds of nonsensical shareholder lawsuits against public companies. He also earned a short prison stint and a $7.5M fine for bribing shareholders to become plaintiffs in 150 of the cases he filed. Here is a fascinating video [2], entitled The Rise and Fall of Bill Lerach.

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-10-12/convicted-...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYIC9GU9OeM

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

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post #2

OK, but who was the legal eagle or director who gave him the wrong form? I would expect that somebody besides Zuckerberg had a job to get it right, and probably should be on the hook for screwing up one way or another.

It wasn't a wrong form, it was right back then, If he signed as a shareholder it may spread a bad message too. It's only a better clickbait title of an article.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

#59

An interesting issue here is if the 2-voting-class design is sustainable for new companies. The bottom of the article notes the issue with the legal docs "took place in 2013." I wish the author would have spent more time grappling with 2-class voting (which TBH the major focus of the article) rather than Zuck's clerical error. The problem with 2-class voting is that it dilutes the inherent value of non-voting shares…

Dual-class voting structures have been around forever. Ford and Berkshire Hathaway are two prominent examples. Historically, they've been relatively rare, and the non-voting shares don't trade at much of a discount. It's rare that individual shareholders get to exercise their voting rights anyway. The interesting trend now is that so many tech companies have dual-class supervoting shares. It sends the message that a…

They are not allowed in many countries eg most of Europe. Shares are considered common ownership by capital committed. Well other than debt which doesn't vote but gets to own the company if not paid back.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Signed the Wrong Document

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post #21

It may seem like splitting hairs, but the Chancery court's decision makes sense. Corporate governance sounds boring and technical, but it is an important sounding board for valuation and consent. Imagine a company where two people collectively owned 51% of a public company, one of them more "in charge" than the other. If they start making all kinds of ad hoc decisions without shareholder consent, then they will never…

Facebook did not want to go public, they were forced to do so because of an obscure SEC investor rule. There was quite a bit of coverage on this when they announced their IPO.

No, they would have had to disclose like a public company but they were not obliged to be public
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