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You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

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Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#161

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The authorities can already track the location and speed of all people with smartphones. The location and speed of all trains is also known. The solution to prevent crashes is thus obvious. Hit the car before the crash with a drone-fired missile.

"The location and speed of all trains is also known." Just need an app that alerts you to oncoming trains.

An app would be a further distraction and would perhaps be detriment to what you want to achieve.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#162
Define "you". By "you" do you mean criminals and others who are evading, resisting or shooting at cops? Or do you mean the majority of law-abiding citizens without issues that involve the police coming after you?

I'm in the latter. So is my whole family, friends and, afaik, co-workers. So do I think that 8x number applies to any of us? No.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#163
What you fear and what kills you.... I think this[0] is relevant.

I believe people whose counter argument is to compare death by police officer to other causes of deaths are missing the point.

[0] http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FEAR.jpg

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#164

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The authorities can already track the location and speed of all people with smartphones. The location and speed of all trains is also known. The solution to prevent crashes is thus obvious. Hit the car before the crash with a drone-fired missile.

"The location and speed of all trains is also known." Just need an app that alerts you to oncoming trains.

yeah, an app for the car.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#165
post #105

Your source does not support your claim. The only thing worse than people who spew lies are people who do so with footnotes that imply that you're not lying. American police officers are out of control. That's not a "meme" that's being "promoted" it's an actual fact that some authoritarian assholes (read: you) are attempting to discredit and hide. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Criminals are out of control. Don't fight with a cop, don't resist arrest, you don't get shot. Pretty simple solution. Perhaps, to be fair, we ought to discuss violence committed by illegal aliens. We don't have that discussion on HN. Perhaps our outrage ought to be directed at the criminals and misfits that seem to think running from cops, fighting with cops or insulting cops is somehow smart. I know far more victim…

There’s so much stupid in this comment that it’s difficult to process, but I wanna focus on just one statement here: “You're more likely to be shot by a gangbanger than a cop”

I am far more afraid of cops than “gangbangers” (wait are you talking about actual urban violence or pornography?). You can fight back against a mugger; when a cop just randomly attacks you — which happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME — you have no recourse.

ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Just look up “stop resisting arrest” on Youtube and watch videos of cops kicking the everlasting shit and tasering people lying helplessly on the ground.

No, hang on, one more. “Criminals are out of control.” Crime in the United States is at the lowest rate of the past century, it’s been plummeting since the nineties.

But what difference does it make? Even if crime were “out of control,” police exist to enforce the law and protect citizens. They randomly attack citizens all the goddamned time — usually based on race, but not always, ask any white person who showed up to a peaceful demonstration and got maced for his trouble.

This is a separate issue than illegal immigration! Even if you’re a xenophobic asshole (and it sure sounds like it), you can and should be outraged by police violence.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#166

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> So should you be scared of going to the hospital? Ludicrous. Hospitals are where the sick and dying go for treatment. Police are there to Protect and Serve. Terrorists try to kill you. Why do the former do more damage than the latter? I agree that the headline is sensationalist, but if you don't think we've got a real police problem, your head is in the sand. Fortunately, the solution isn't that difficult (body cam…

It's important to remember that there is a downside to bodycams. #1) It turns all cops into walking surveillance machines. #2) We don't know yet how much violence it deters, or whether it makes the police more likely to be prosecuted when they commit illegal acts. Initial studies seem promising that it is helpful in some ways, but we don't know how helpful yet. Personally, I think disarming the police would have a lo…

> It turns all cops into walking surveillance machines

Cops already function as defacto surveillance machines. The bodycam doesn't capture any more than the cop does with his/her own eyes and the cop has the authority to act based on that alone, the bodycam is at least an impartial representation of the cop's (or citizen's) allegations.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The authorities can already track the location and speed of all people with smartphones. The location and speed of all trains is also known. The solution to prevent crashes is thus obvious. Hit the car before the crash with a drone-fired missile.

"The location and speed of all trains is also known." Just need an app that alerts you to oncoming trains.

It seemed obvious to me that your comment was a joke. Please continue this style of humor despite the other comments.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#168

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If something on the order of the 9/11 attacks happened every other day, we'd still lose more Americans to heart disease.

It has been 5,161 days since 9/11. Every other day would be 2,580 9/11 sized attacks. The entire country would be in ruins. There would be no more cities, and the economy would have ground to a halt. We would all be living in a post apocalyptic nightmare, with knock on effects leading to far more deaths than the direct numbers from the attacks. This is why I hate these comparisons to heart disease and whatnot.

You are correct that, beyond a point, the effects are substantially nonlinear. Of course, our reactions would also not be static.

My point was not prediction of specific outcomes, but rather to illustrate the tremendous disparity between the two scales - even in a year when we lost an order of magnitude more people to terrorism than is typical.

(You are also correct that there are substantial effects beyond the direct loss of life - but that is true with heart disease as well.)

"The entire country would be in ruins. There would be no more cities"

This is still exaggerating the scale.

If we say 3000 9/11 sized-attacks and 3000 dead in 9/11, that's 9 million people. In that time, our population grew by 50 million.

If we say the 9/11 attacks destroyed 10 million square feet of office space, that's 30 billion - about twice what we added between 2003 and 2012 (per http://www.eia.gov/consumption/commercial/reports/2012/build...), so plausibly about what we've added total in that time.

There may be "no more cities", but it would be due to a response of radical decentralization (probably not a bad move, in that situation) not because the cities were physically destroyed.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#170
post #45

And you are five times more likely to be killed at a railroad crossing then by a police officer.[1] Headlines like these are obviously created for sensationalism , and while you will be hard pressed to find someone with a bigger animus towards the current USCJS then I, I think we should all be on the lookout for hyperbole, no matter what underlying meme it may be promoting. [1] http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol…

"Headlines like these are obviously created for sensationalism"

As is almost every terrosit related article in the media.

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