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You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

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#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't hyperbole that US cops are far more violent and unstable than the cops of other developed countries. Look at how many people Germany kills per year. Now look at how many people China kills per year. Now look at the US...

Does Germany have an equivalent to South Chicago or North St. Louis? Because we've got one of those in just about every major U.S. city. It seems relevant.

Germany has a ton of migrant labor, mostly from Turkey.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't hyperbole that US cops are far more violent and unstable than the cops of other developed countries. Look at how many people Germany kills per year. Now look at how many people China kills per year. Now look at the US...

Does Germany have an equivalent to South Chicago or North St. Louis? Because we've got one of those in just about every major U.S. city. It seems relevant.

Yes, it seems relevant as an effect of the government approach to its citizens, which includes (but is not limited to) the (compared to other developed nations) ultraviolent American policing.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

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And you are five times more likely to be killed at a railroad crossing then by a police officer.[1] Headlines like these are obviously created for sensationalism , and while you will be hard pressed to find someone with a bigger animus towards the current USCJS then I, I think we should all be on the lookout for hyperbole, no matter what underlying meme it may be promoting. [1] http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol…

This extensively documented site ( http://www.killedbypolice.net/kbp2013.html ) suggests that 768 people were killed by police in 2013, compared to the 784 people murdered by trains. If my math is correct, 784/768 is not five. Additionally, that site's statistics are only for may-december, so the actual number is probably around 50% higher.

The authorities can already track the location and speed of all people with smartphones.

The location and speed of all trains is also known.

The solution to prevent crashes is thus obvious. Hit the car before the crash with a drone-fired missile.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#104
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't the same thing - in the cases of terrorist caused and police caused deaths, there were human beings who acted to intentionally kill someone else. In the case of railroad crossings, there isn't such intentionality.

Many railroad crossing deaths are presumably suicides. Some police deaths might be, but that is probably rare.

Agreed, I worded my statement as "intentionally kill someone else" in consideration of that - largely because the train engineers don't get a choice in the matter of railroad crossing incidents.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#105
Your source does not support your claim. The only thing worse than people who spew lies are people who do so with footnotes that imply that you're not lying.

American police officers are out of control. That's not a "meme" that's being "promoted" it's an actual fact that some authoritarian assholes (read: you) are attempting to discredit and hide.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#106
post #53
post #32

Note: US only.

Indeed, cops here don't even have guns, he'd have to beat me to death

Haha agreed. But where we live other comparisons probably apply, things like obesity or traffic ought to be feared much more than terrorism.

Internationally it still boggles my mind why there's so much attention for things like Boko Haram in Nigeria. Remember bring our girls home? All the way to the whitehouse. Since the kidnapping of the 219 girls, about 300 thousand have died of aids. There's this fetish with terrorism as a threat to human livelihood I don't understand. Obviously those were 219 too many kidnapped girls, but I don't understand why we focus so much attention on things that relatively affect us in the least, if 200k people died of terrorist attacks in a single country per year, year after year, you'd expect it to be headlines in the press every single day until it's over.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#107

"[...]one should ask why police officers are such a significant source of danger." The statements are based on data from 2011. 155 people were killed by police officers in US, total population was about 311.7 million back then. That's roughly 0,00005% and we don't even know the circumstances in which they got killed. Saying you're 8 times more likely to [insert extremely unlikely event] than [insert exceptionally unl…

155? This article has another problem then. Although the FBI tracks police shootings, reporting is voluntary.. so they're grossly underreported. The washingtonpost did an analysis earlier this year attempting to get a more complete number... we're on track to surpass 1000 police shootings this year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootin...

How many of those victims were people with prior violent felony convictions? How many of those shootings were in self defense? We can parse data all day long but people don't normally just get randomly shot by a cop. Chris Rock has a good bit on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#108
Tangentially related, but I'm a little bit surprised to see something like this coming from CATO. Traditionally, a focus on police abuse and statistics like these have been the purview of the American left, while CATO is a conservative think tank.

It's very heartening to see this problem addressed by the other side of the aisle.

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Germany have an equivalent to South Chicago or North St. Louis? Because we've got one of those in just about every major U.S. city. It seems relevant.

Yes, it seems relevant as an effect of the government approach to its citizens, which includes (but is not limited to) the (compared to other developed nations) ultraviolent American policing.

I understand that that's a feeling that you have, but I don't think there's any evidence for your claim

Re: You're Eight Times More Likely to Be Killed by a Police Officer Than a Terrorist

#110
post #5

This is ignoring black swan events. There is no chance that police officers will kill 10 million people tomorrow, but there is a non-zero chance that terrorists will.

If we are going to sing that song: if somebody is going to kill 10 million people tomorrow is, necessarily, somebody with nuclear or biological weapons.

As a non-American I would feel a lot safe if you just dismantle yours.

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