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Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by will_brown »

JoblessWonder wrote: post #51
austenallred wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every startup is incorporated in Delaware, not always as the name they call themselves.

Except they gave me the name to look up[1]: "In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Fly Maids, Inc. (doing business as Fly Maids), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808." Trust me, it isn't there. I tried both the regular lookup and just a simple name reservation in case the paperwork hadn't gone thro…

Not incorporated in Delaware (as represented) nor are they qualified to do business in CA (where they are, presumably, physically located)...Probably not the company you want coordinating strangers into your home, though something tells me this is par for the SV course. You know move fast and break things, or beg forgiveness rather than ask permission. However, my advice owners/operators, they might wish to consult a lawyer to explain the basics of personal liability and benefits of corporate protections...

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by wlesieutre »

kornish wrote: post #37
nostromo wrote: post #32

Everyone is assuming that the founders sold the company data to Fly Maids, a brand-new company nobody has ever heard of before. It's also possible one of the founders just spun up the new service themselves and copied over all of the customer records. If so, they may want to prepare to be sued by their previous investors. It's one thing to fail after giving it the good ol' college try, but it's another entirely to st…

That was my first assumption as well - that one of the founders was continuing to work with the same idea under a different brand. Whoever it was, they clearly capitalized on the market opening left in Homejoy's wake. A quick whois flymaids.com yields Domain Name: flymaids.com Registry Domain ID: 1966895891_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com Update Date: 20…

Domain registrars often include a year of "whoisguard" (namecheap's brand for it) or similar with new domain registrations. I'm never too surprised by that until it's been over a year. Or is Domains By Proxy a more significant anonymity system?

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by johnsalzarulo »

So, it looks like there is 3 distinct yet related sites that we have been able to dig up.

http://www.flymaids.com/ http://cleanr.ca/ http://www.homeaglow.com/

My hunch is that there is more. They all seem to share a lot in common.

Credit for digging these up: https://medium.com/@bradbatt/their-css-references-brands-hom... https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=phonon

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by gkoberger »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #28

What's the big deal? Homejoy is just hacking startup downfunding... (/s) I'd like to see some kind of stronger YC influence on ethics in the companies they fund. I realize that YC doesn't have any direct control over the companies, but it could be as simple as including good ethics in the traits they look for in startup founders. A while back I started compiling a list of YC companies that spammed or otherwise behave…

YC makes it very clear they will disavow any company or founder that acts unethically. YC is strict about very few things, but this was made clear in no uncertain terms (especially by Jessica). When things go bad, YC always gets involved – even if you don't read about it online.

Don't blame YC just yet. We don't know what happened here. Maybe Homejoy went into debt, had their assets seized, and lost control (like with GigaOM). Maybe the investors approved or forced a reincorporation under another name. Maybe Handy bought the assets and is quickly trying to stem off churn. Or, yeah, maybe something unethical happened. Until we know what happened, though, it's all speculation.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by JoblessWonder »

will_brown wrote: post #71
JoblessWonder wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they gave me the name to look up[1]: "In the USA/rest of the world (excluding the European Union), we are Fly Maids, Inc. (doing business as Fly Maids), a Delaware corporation with our head office at 2711 Centerville Road, Suite 400, Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware 19808." Trust me, it isn't there. I tried both the regular lookup and just a simple name reservation in case the paperwork hadn't gone thro…

Not incorporated in Delaware (as represented) nor are they qualified to do business in CA (where they are, presumably, physically located)...Probably not the company you want coordinating strangers into your home, though something tells me this is par for the SV course. You know move fast and break things, or beg forgiveness rather than ask permission. However, my advice owners/operators, they might wish to consult a…

Oh yeah, totally forgot about the part that they were trying to do business in Los Angeles...

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by johnsalzarulo »

gondo wrote: post #48

as someone mentioned in the blog comment, Fly Maids site is a complete copy (with redesigned homepage) of another cleaning service http://www.homeaglow.com/ @johnsalzarulo out of curiosity, try if your login works on homeaglow.com f.e.: both logos are served from the same S3 bucket: https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/fly_maids.png https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/homeaglow.png

When I entered my email into homeaglow it didn't work. It said I had the wrong password. BUT when I entered in the password reset box I got a password reset email from support@flymaids.com. They are unmistakably connected somehow.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by volaski »

I'm surprised that BusinessInsider still doesn't have an article about this. Shame on you Business Insider! It's already been an hour! I expect a headline "How Homejoy came back from grave to haunt us"

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by huac »

austenallred wrote: post #47
JoblessWonder wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, according to their Privacy Policy you can just shoot them an e-mail: > You may contact us as follows: support@flymaids.com.com Oh wait.... [Bonus points for saying they are incorporated in Delaware who has no record of a business by that name.] *Edit- See below, I searched the company name on the Delaware website two different ways and they certainly do not have an active registration or even a name reservation…

Every startup is incorporated in Delaware, not always as the name they call themselves.

I presume this is language that was copied straight from the website of the competitor

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by vladd »

lemevi wrote: post #34
johnsalzarulo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Card's already canceled. Thanks though.

Doesn't matter, it's still confidential information that can be used to verify you or used to social engineer more information about you. "Hi sir, I'm calling in because I lost access to my account, I don't have my current card, but I do have the last 4 of my previous that I used on this service, will that be good enough?" Like don't reveal unnecessary information if you don't have to. It's low effort, high risk.

You should read: http://www.wired.com/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/

>> It turns out, a billing address and the last four digits of a credit card number are the only two pieces of information anyone needs to get into your iCloud account. Once supplied, Apple will issue a temporary password, and that password grants access to iCloud. [Apple may have changed their policy meanwhile, but likely others did not]

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