Live data from Hacker News

VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

reuters.com

11–20 of 76 posts

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#11
post #6

VW cars exceed legal emissions 40 times. There is a reason for no preventing to use this cars?

I don't think the government can say "you were lied to about your car, stop using it" also VW can't force people to get the recall, why would you want to get a recall that worsens the performance of you car.

The recall is mandatory for the consumers if they want to continue operating their car, at least here in Germany.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#13

I don't buy the implication that this didn't go up extremely high in VW. I'm sure they'll find some low level drone(s) to take the fall like normal, but generally speaking if they were engineering and building cars which they KNEW couldn't pass emmissions it had to have been a concerted effort to cheat the system inter-departmentally, which means coordination, which means senior management involvement.

The CEO has already been fired, but for something this big it won't just be the low-level types that get fired.

He resigned, with a potential €60 million payout coming his way. More than firing is due here - people should be going to jail for criminal fraud.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#14

I don't buy the implication that this didn't go up extremely high in VW. I'm sure they'll find some low level drone(s) to take the fall like normal, but generally speaking if they were engineering and building cars which they KNEW couldn't pass emmissions it had to have been a concerted effort to cheat the system inter-departmentally, which means coordination, which means senior management involvement.

The CEO has already been fired, but for something this big it won't just be the low-level types that get fired.

>The CEO has already been fired

...with a 67M severance package

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2015/09...

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#15
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO has already been fired, but for something this big it won't just be the low-level types that get fired.

>The CEO has already been fired ...with a 67M severance package https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2015/09...

Half of that is a pension already earned, not severance, and the other half is a theoretical calculation from the article based on the maximum severance he could receive.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#16
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO has already been fired, but for something this big it won't just be the low-level types that get fired.

>The CEO has already been fired ...with a 67M severance package https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2015/09...

He wasn't fired, so he shouldn't be getting a "severance package". He resigned. He shouldn't be getting anything for the tens of billions of dollars in damage caused to the company. I wish CEOs stopped being rewarded for screwing up.

What's worse is that VW is still pushing the narrative that only two engineers are at fault here, and it refuses to blame the CEO, even though it keeps finding millions and millions of other cars affected by this.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#17
post #6

VW cars exceed legal emissions 40 times. There is a reason for no preventing to use this cars?

I don't think the government can say "you were lied to about your car, stop using it" also VW can't force people to get the recall, why would you want to get a recall that worsens the performance of you car.

[deleted]

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#19
post #6

VW cars exceed legal emissions 40 times. There is a reason for no preventing to use this cars?

I don't think the government can say "you were lied to about your car, stop using it" also VW can't force people to get the recall, why would you want to get a recall that worsens the performance of you car.

Of course they can say that. I think you are stating an opinion on this specific case and I'm sure you can imagine cases that may be a bit more extreme where you would reasonably say that the government shouldn't allow these vehicles on the road. But... I personally have the opinion that if these vehicles are polluting so far over the standards set as reported then they shouldn't be allowed to be driven or pay a "carbon tax" or be forced to get the upgrade, etc.

Re: VW slumps to first quarterly loss in at least 15 years

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO has already been fired, but for something this big it won't just be the low-level types that get fired.

He resigned, with a potential €60 million payout coming his way. More than firing is due here - people should be going to jail for criminal fraud.

>More than firing is due here - people should be going to jail for criminal fraud.

How about they prove criminal fraud before we talk about locking people up?

Post reply on HN