How do you plan to buy out all the existing investment these dealerships have? You certainly cannot legislate away their property without compensation. What about the jobs? That is no small number. With those go all the local taxes, benefits, and such as well. Dealer direct, sounds good. Until you find out that car you really want has a demonstration center that is too far away, in a place you don't want to go. Until…
Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
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Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#32"the price of the cars that are sold needs to be high enough to cover the costs of building and storing the unsold ones." We shouldn't be having this problem anymore. It's a massive detriment to the economies of scale model. Most people don't need to buy a car overnight, which ironically is because they are so expensive. Keeping a small amount of cars for test driving and personal inspection is all that is needed. Th…
In Europe, only used cars are sold directly off the parking lot or showroom of the dealer. Normally, you choose the options (color, engine options, leather seats, ..) and the car is built for you. You can pick it up some weeks/months later. Manufacturers of high-priced cars may invite you to pick up the car at the plant when it comes off the line. They have a special "experience" designed around that.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#33How do you plan to buy out all the existing investment these dealerships have? You certainly cannot legislate away their property without compensation. What about the jobs? That is no small number. With those go all the local taxes, benefits, and such as well. Dealer direct, sounds good. Until you find out that car you really want has a demonstration center that is too far away, in a place you don't want to go. Until…
What about the jobs? Is the argument that they don't serve any legitimate purpose, such that they'd go away if they're not forced to be kept around through legislation? Jobs aren't a good reason to favor stagnation over dynamism in an economy. Improvements in productivity have led to drastically more jobs over time, rather than less, the same would be true in this case. Plus, the existing dealers would continue to have a leg up on sales and distribution, it would take a long time to build out any competing systems.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#34A long time ago I saw an ad on the back of a magazine, paying tribute to Dell's direct model. It was a Johnnie Walker ad, with a bar napkin. On the napkin was written Dell's business plan; it had "make computer, sell computer" basically crossed out, replaced with "sell computer, make computer." Make the car -> sell the car Sell the car -> make the car This switch should have happened a long time ago. The near total e…
>>> The automaker never builds a car that hasn't already been sold. I am not familiar with the industry, how long does it take to make a car and deliver it to the customer (let's assume to a major US city)?
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#35This seems like an opportunity for an Uber/AirBnB move. Find a jurisdiction anywhere in the USA where direct manufacturer sales are legal. Negotiate with the manufacturers to handle direct-to-consumer sales for them. Write your "app" so that customers can build their car online and have the order go straight to the factory. Charge the customer a "delivery fee" to get their heavily discounted car to them, from which y…
As in, found a startup and then negotiate with Ford, GM, Toyota, Volkswagen etc about a deal that's guaranteed to piss off the existing dealer networks that make ~100% of their revenue and will view this as an existential threat? Good luck with that!
Above all, this seems to assume car companies are stupid. Ford, GM & co would sell their grandmothers to get an extra 6% margin on their cars, the reason they're not selling directly already (in the US) because they figure it's not worth the risk -- and if they do decide to try, they're certainly not going to give the opportunity to a random startup trying to form a new monopsony that would leave them even worse off than before.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#36A long time ago I saw an ad on the back of a magazine, paying tribute to Dell's direct model. It was a Johnnie Walker ad, with a bar napkin. On the napkin was written Dell's business plan; it had "make computer, sell computer" basically crossed out, replaced with "sell computer, make computer." Make the car -> sell the car Sell the car -> make the car This switch should have happened a long time ago. The near total e…
This works great if you don't mind cutting down the number of car models a whole lot. Factories are reconfigured multiple times a year to make different models and there's weeks of downtime between manufacturing runs. It might be months before there's a factory that is ready to make a lower-volume model.
Custom configurations on the other hand can take weeks or months to get from the factory to Sweden. Those who know what they want pre-order a car so that it's delivered when they want to replace their current car, which is usually every 3 years.
I bet Dell still keeps an inventory, it's just a vastly reduced one.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#37First, dealerships don't really make that much of a profit on new car sales. At least not Honda dealers. Used cars averaged around $1000 profit, but new cars were around $200. Yes, they really do lose money on some sales. That's not to say that there weren't expenses that were being covered in the price that are exclusive to the dealership, such as the salesperson's commission, but the total profit going to the dealership per new car was low. One of the older, wiser managers, who had come from Toyota told me, "A properly-run dealership pays for everything on Parts & Service. Car sales is just the profit." There are a lot of lean years in car sales. I can attest that no one in management was panicking when gas prices hit $4/gallon and we couldn't give a car away (car managers don't hold back their emotions). Sales stopped, but people kept getting expensive oil changes.
Second, at least within Honda's North American division, you cannot just buy inventory. A dealership inventory is controlled in such a way that area dealerships are forced to compete heavily with each other. In order to sell a car, you have to have a car on your lot. In order to have a car on your lot, you have to order it from Honda. The number of cars you can order from Honda is restricted to a percentage of the number of cars you sold last year, something around 106-110%. You can't just take a big loan and buy yourself volume. To a dealer, inventory is life and must be protected. As a salesperson, I would lose so many deals to other Honda dealers who would lie through their teeth over the phone to sell. Dealers will cut their own throats to steal a sale from another dealer because each one is a net +2 in the inventory war. In theory, this is great for customers on cost, but terrible for customers on experience.
The owner of the first dealer I worked for had just sold the dealership to a Fortune 500 company. He spent years and years basically giving cars away until he had the largest inventory on the entire East Coast (a big deal for Honda) and then had something very valuable, something that couldn't be bought. Somewhat like how Amazon, in theory, operates.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, only used cars are sold directly off the parking lot or showroom of the dealer. Normally, you choose the options (color, engine options, leather seats, ..) and the car is built for you. You can pick it up some weeks/months later. Manufacturers of high-priced cars may invite you to pick up the car at the plant when it comes off the line. They have a special "experience" designed around that.
To be honest, should it really take months to produce and ship that one car through europe? Surely assembly lines are faster than that.
That is most pronounced when orders spike after the introduction of a new model.
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#39How do you plan to buy out all the existing investment these dealerships have? You certainly cannot legislate away their property without compensation. What about the jobs? That is no small number. With those go all the local taxes, benefits, and such as well. Dealer direct, sounds good. Until you find out that car you really want has a demonstration center that is too far away, in a place you don't want to go. Until…
Re: Kill the laws that keep car dealers in business
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, only used cars are sold directly off the parking lot or showroom of the dealer. Normally, you choose the options (color, engine options, leather seats, ..) and the car is built for you. You can pick it up some weeks/months later. Manufacturers of high-priced cars may invite you to pick up the car at the plant when it comes off the line. They have a special "experience" designed around that.
To be honest, should it really take months to produce and ship that one car through europe? Surely assembly lines are faster than that.
There are other reasons than just manufacturing time, for why a vehicle would take weeks or months to get.