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EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10459316 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10459113 .

Thanks, first time submitting, I didn't spot those ones.

Welcome to HN submitting! We hope you'll submit as many intellectually interesting stories as you can find.

The links in my comment above were just to point out related links of interest, not at all to suggest that you shouldn't have posted this one.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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I should do that. It would probably surpass whatever contribution I would end up giving them directly byquite a bit. I do want to support the developers though, so maybe I'll do 70% EFF, 25% devs, 5% humble tip (gotta keep the lights on).

By the time a game hits a bundle the impact on the developer's bottom line is almost negligible. If you want to support developers, buy their games when they come out. Doing otherwise is "nice," but ineffective.

It does help more than you think, being in a bundle is a big chunk of revenue for a smaller developer. While the sales do dwindle really fast after the launch, the long tail is still significant.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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It should be noted that this is a very limited ruling. Only the owner can modify the car, and you can't go to a mechanic or third party to modify it (or inspect it), which will greatly restrict the application. Also this doesn't apply to Entertainment or Telemetrics portions. So your car could be straight up spying on you, or your manufacturer can leave unpatched security holes in your "Entertainment" system (which h…

ECU tweakers are already very popular with diesel vehicles. Something like that seems legal even under these restrictions.

Buy/rent a device to mod your own vehicle.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should do that. It would probably surpass whatever contribution I would end up giving them directly byquite a bit. I do want to support the developers though, so maybe I'll do 70% EFF, 25% devs, 5% humble tip (gotta keep the lights on).

By the time a game hits a bundle the impact on the developer's bottom line is almost negligible. If you want to support developers, buy their games when they come out. Doing otherwise is "nice," but ineffective.

$5 is still $5 if you buy a game after the fact. I don't see how joining early purchasers helps game developers more than otherwise.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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It seems insane to me that we could allow private corporations to buy and sell data that our government would require a warrant or court order to obtain. If cell phone service were free that would be one thing, but for these companies to be "double dipping" like this is pretty disgusting.

It seems insane to me that we could allow private corporations to buy and sell data that our government would require a warrant or court order to obtain.

You're not seeing what is going on behind the scenes... they are all in cahoots the money is just a bonus.

You're not seeing what's going down behind the scenes - the spying is for us.

On the NSA/spying...

The (mass surveillance) by the NSA and abuse by law enforcement is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY

Brezinski at a press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTIZBCQ79g

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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It should be noted that this is a very limited ruling. Only the owner can modify the car, and you can't go to a mechanic or third party to modify it (or inspect it), which will greatly restrict the application. Also this doesn't apply to Entertainment or Telemetrics portions. So your car could be straight up spying on you, or your manufacturer can leave unpatched security holes in your "Entertainment" system (which h…

It would be an important case. As you note it's on the same bus and meaningless to "be able" to inspect the car control system without looking at it.

The solution is for people to vote with their buys.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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They also got an exemption for modifying of abandoned games whose activation systems are long since gone, as well as extending/clarifying the jailbreaking exemption.

I actually worked on this part of the exemption. It was granted in two parts. First, fans may now reverse engineer and host servers for games that are no longer hosted online. Metal Gear Solid 4 is a perfect example, but there are plenty of others. This is now legal, and considered fair use. MMO's are exempted, and defined as games where the world is persistent reguardless of number of players connected (IE, is the g…

this is huge! thanks for all the hard work to everyone involved.

Re: EFF Wins Petition to Inspect and Modify Car Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should do that. It would probably surpass whatever contribution I would end up giving them directly byquite a bit. I do want to support the developers though, so maybe I'll do 70% EFF, 25% devs, 5% humble tip (gotta keep the lights on).

By the time a game hits a bundle the impact on the developer's bottom line is almost negligible. If you want to support developers, buy their games when they come out. Doing otherwise is "nice," but ineffective.

Here is some hard evidence to the contrary:

http://hitboxteam.com/content/articles/dustforce-sales-figur...

http://hitboxteam.com/dustforce-sales-figures

This isn't an exception, either. This is the norm.

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