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Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by tdkl »

pjc50 wrote: post #78
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis This is what happened last time refugees were turned away en masse with no option but to return to their home country: they were exterminated. The EU was formed with a "never again" attitude to this kind of catastrophe. There are already over 4 million refugees plus an estimated 6 million displaced within Syria. People have finally noticed that they're already dying trying t…

Ah yes, the white guilt.

There's a reason why Germany is targeted as the end destination - there's less chance it will deny them because of collective guilt.

The UK said it will not accept any then mere thousands, yet no one blinks an eye. Why ? Why didn't the USA (who started this shit in the first place) offered any help ? Why don't the immigrants demand that from them ?

The blind left extremism in modern western world isn't much different from the right one and there are a lot of political players who will exploit that.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by theworstshill »

pjc50 wrote: post #78
sccxy wrote: post #22

I'm living in one of poor EU countries. I earn less money than they pay for refugees. Our pensioners get less money than these 'refugees' with Armani clothing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis This is what happened last time refugees were turned away en masse with no option but to return to their home country: they were exterminated. The EU was formed with a "never again" attitude to this kind of catastrophe. There are already over 4 million refugees plus an estimated 6 million displaced within Syria. People have finally noticed that they're already dying trying t…

I think the main issue is fear of radical islamists hiding amongst the refugees going to Europe. Haven't heard of any jews blowing stuff up and beheading germans, can't say the same for syrians and middle east in general. The somewhat lesser issue, as evident by this thread is economic competition.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by programmernews3 »

gambiting wrote: post #63
michaelbuddy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize where money comes from right? That the refugees get any thing when actual tax, social security, disability was paid into by citizens for citizens and even if it was as available as you think it should be, the citizens are having their money funneled and real estate taken from them in ways that are unsettling and downright disgraceful.

Yeah, I pay for it in my taxes and I am very happy the money goes to these causes. And your statement about real estate being taken from anyone is just outright false.

Your statement is extremely smug.

I looked at your other comments. You live in north England and earn £20k per year.

If you have children, you will find that this does not go very far. If that is your sole income then your standard of living will not be far above one of the recent economic migrants.

If your children is not as academically gifted as you, they will likely live a life of chronic underemployment and a far lower standard of living than you.

It is the simple rule of supply and demand. Bringing in large amounts of economic migrants will depress wages and drive up living costs.

One or two generations ago, one wage would have been enough to afford buying a house in a decent suburb.

For our generation, you need two incomes for a similar setup.

For your childrens generation it will be three incomes as you will need to significantly contribute.

Every day in Nigeria close to 20000 people are born and this is accelerating. Even if 1% chose to come over, it is demographic suicide.

It is our grandchildren that will suffer the most. We are giving away all that we have worked for.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by theworstshill »

sccxy wrote: post #80
pjc50 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis This is what happened last time refugees were turned away en masse with no option but to return to their home country: they were exterminated. The EU was formed with a "never again" attitude to this kind of catastrophe. There are already over 4 million refugees plus an estimated 6 million displaced within Syria. People have finally noticed that they're already dying trying t…

Poor jews. I guess they have learned from history and help others now. How many refugee camps for Syrian people are in Israel?

They learned from history alright, just not in the way you think. Israel is one of the best defended states with some of the best social welfare for its citizens. They work six days a week to make it happen, and their public-private partnerships are top notch and generate a massive amount of real innovation (as in - life saving medical technology instead of boredom apps). If every state in the world was as self-sufficient and productive, humanity would be colonizing space by now.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by comrh »

hugh4 wrote: post #72
legulere wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they would stay in Hungary instead which already has more refugees per capita than Germany and is totally overwhelmed? Or in Greece which is in the middle of a crisis itself? How about Lebanon and Turkey where there are more than 10 times as much refugees, where refugees have no perspective of being able to work and where basic needs of life are not guaranteed. Free speech is about the right to express oneself, it…

No, they should stay in fucking Syria. If they're so keen on western values such as democracy and freedom of religion, they should take up arms and fight for them, just like our ancestors did. And if they're not keen on western values such as democracy and freedom of religion, they should stay the fuck out of the west. The right to live in a peaceful, prosperous country is not automatic. For those of us in the west,…

This has to be the most simplistic, nationalistic, view of history I've ever read. Ignoring that throughout history it is extremely common for groups to leave their countries and settle elsewhere when it becomes oppressive, for example America...

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by programmernews3 »

briandear wrote: post #71

Interesting. Farsi is not a major language in Syria; more people speak Kurdish than Farsi. Perhaps, and this is just a theory, that some of the refugees aren't actually coming from the Syrian civil war, but are instead attempting to simply take advantage of the largesse of the EU? If these refugees were actual refugees, they'd be in camps along the Turkish border and not applying for (and receiving) long term residen…

Have a look at the pictures - it is full of chancers from all over the world.

Even the "children" often turn out to be adults. In this study, 260 of the 309 people investigated were over 18:

http://www.iofos.eu/Journals/JFOS%20sup1_Nov12/IDEALS%209-12...

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by gambiting »

programmernews3 wrote: post #83
gambiting wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I pay for it in my taxes and I am very happy the money goes to these causes. And your statement about real estate being taken from anyone is just outright false.

Your statement is extremely smug. I looked at your other comments. You live in north England and earn £20k per year. If you have children, you will find that this does not go very far. If that is your sole income then your standard of living will not be far above one of the recent economic migrants. If your children is not as academically gifted as you, they will likely live a life of chronic underemployment and a fa…

If you looked a bit further into my comments history, you would have found that I am myself an immigrant. I come from one of the poorer countries of the EU and what I make in UK is literally 4-5x as much as I would in my own country. For me,to be against immigrants, would be to be a hypocrite. There's over 2 millions of people from my country over here in UK and you would be very hard pressed to say that it changed anything in terms of living costs or that it depressed wages.

>>One or two generations ago, one wage would have been enough to afford buying a house in a decent suburb.

That has literally nothing to do with immigration, but it seems to me that you are trying to associate all modern problems into one common cause.

>>Every day in Nigeria close to 20000 people are born and this is accelerating. Even if 1% chose to come over, it is demographic suicide.

You are making an assumption that they will continue procreating at the same rate - which is just purely wrong.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by theworstshill »

programmernews3 wrote: post #83
gambiting wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I pay for it in my taxes and I am very happy the money goes to these causes. And your statement about real estate being taken from anyone is just outright false.

Your statement is extremely smug. I looked at your other comments. You live in north England and earn £20k per year. If you have children, you will find that this does not go very far. If that is your sole income then your standard of living will not be far above one of the recent economic migrants. If your children is not as academically gifted as you, they will likely live a life of chronic underemployment and a fa…

Good points, but not quite. The standards of living have fallen not because of nigerians coming over and stealing jerbs, but because the redistribution shifted from people doing the work to people owning the capital required to keep the operation going. Of course, it is much easier to blame a bunch of poor people who don't know their rights or might not even have them.

If you really want your kids to live better - work for it now, and work for yourself. Judging by your comment though this doesn't seem to be the plan. Just being blunt here.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by dang »

hugh4 wrote: post #67
dang wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The combination of "what about related controversy X" with inflammatory language ("Thanks Germany") is guaranteed to produce a political flamewar. Please don't do that here. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10452885 and marked it off-topic.

The posting of this article was guaranteed to produce a political flamewar.

That doesn't excuse the commenters who made it so.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by tdkl »

theworstshill wrote: post #84
sccxy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor jews. I guess they have learned from history and help others now. How many refugee camps for Syrian people are in Israel?

They learned from history alright, just not in the way you think. Israel is one of the best defended states with some of the best social welfare for its citizens. They work six days a week to make it happen, and their public-private partnerships are top notch and generate a massive amount of real innovation (as in - life saving medical technology instead of boredom apps). If every state in the world was as self-suffi…

They sure are good in colonizing the land of Palestine with moral and monetary support of a western country that sadly forgot how to use their resources for space exploration and are colonizing third world countries since the WWII with government coups.
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