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Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by chaghan »

pluma wrote: post #8
chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

Provoke someone into bombing you for months and we'll re-consider. You're welcome. Germany.

You have bombed,enslaved and robbed our nations for more than a decade. Please re-consider now.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by aikah »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

> I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy.

This. The elephant in the room. It is insanely difficult to migrate legally to most European countries.

I would say something else to the people that encourage others to basically enter Europe illegally to go to Germany.

There are people, in refugee camps, in Lebanon or Turkey, that want to follow the law and apply for asylum while staying in these camps( because that's how it is supposed to work at first place, applying for asylum in the first safe country).

What about them ? So people who break the law and cross multiple European countries illegally are welcome, but those who want to respect refugee laws by staying in camps until their status is cleared will be rejected because too many coming to Europe already and all sits are taken? That doesn't sound fair at all.

This whole debacle is hypocrite on so many level, I will never support anyone who agree with it. You're not helping those who are in greatest need to be helped ( women,children, it's obvious they are not the majority of the people walking across Europe right now).

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by korisnik »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

>What about the millions of eastern / central europeans

Have you forgotten about the Yugoslav wars? About half a million of refugees went to Western Europe (mostly Germany and Sweden) in just a couple of years.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by winter_blue »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

> have been denied to work in german markets

That is illegal and a violation of treaty obligations on Germany's part if the countries you're talking about are part of the European Union (EU), or the European Economic Area (EEA).

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_for_worker...

You don't need a work visa or any sort of permission from the German government to reside and work in Germany, if you are a EU citizen or a citizen of an EEA member. It is a right.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by korisnik »

chaghan wrote: post #10
__m wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worse than getting killed by a bomb?

Nope I did not mean to say it like that. Nonetheles these countries I have been talking about are not the one that should carry the burden of the decisions made by western powers. These countries are economically enslaved by Germany and while your average syrian immigrant gets 1500euros and food and housing your average eastern european pensioner has to live from 400e pension. And the costs of living are not that muc…

>and while your average syrian immigrant gets 1500euros

That's nowhere close to reality.

Firstly, an "immigrant" will not get anything. They will get deported if they're not deemed a refugee. Most asylum seekers actually don't get asylum.

Secondly, if they end up getting refugee status/asylum, then they will receive about 300-400 euros a month (that's somewhere between 330 to 440 USD a month for the international crowd in here).

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by dang »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

The combination of "what about related controversy X" with inflammatory language ("Thanks Germany") is guaranteed to produce a political flamewar. Please don't do that here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10452885 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by tonomics »

chaghan wrote: post #4

What about the millions of eastern / central europeans that have lower wages and worse quality of life and have been denied to work in german markets when the countries have been allowed to join the EU ? I guess nobody cares. Oh nobody cares either about people that are educated and can't get working visa because EU bureaucracy. Thanks Germany.

You raise an interesting point, but the refugee 'crisis' is not driven by rationality, history, culture or even morality.

It's a sad, numb and nihilistic political game.

Re: Arriving in Berlin – A map made by refugees

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Post by detaro »

chaghan wrote: post #10
__m wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worse than getting killed by a bomb?

Nope I did not mean to say it like that. Nonetheles these countries I have been talking about are not the one that should carry the burden of the decisions made by western powers. These countries are economically enslaved by Germany and while your average syrian immigrant gets 1500euros and food and housing your average eastern european pensioner has to live from 400e pension. And the costs of living are not that muc…

> your average syrian immigrant gets 1500euros

I don't know where you got that number, but it's wrong. A 5-person asylum family might get that much (depends on age of kids) if they don't get anything as materials and there is no reason to deduct anything. (Giving things vs money is debated a lot, currently it is swaying back to handing out things and less money)

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