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Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by funkyy » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 8:42 PM UTC

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #9

sebastianconcpt wrote: post #7

How people generally think of this regulation? Like something positive/desirable or something dangerous?

The whole regulation was undermined from the beginning by financial interests of big corporations and internet providers. No wonder, when you see, which politicians are in charge. The EU -- I must regretful say -- is just a dumping place for those politicians, that did already prove in their own country that they are incompetent. The whole EU is just an invitation for lobbyists to get more pleasant regulations. In ou…

>The EU -- I must regretful say -- is just a dumping place for those politicians, that did prove in their own land that they are incompetent.

Not really. EU is mostly dumping place for dangerous politicians. Ones that are to ambitious or can destroy status quo of current system. When prime minister is afraid of a strong independent person he sends him to the EU.

Also the ones that did something as a favor like taking blame for something or pushing proper rules through the voting and getting EU sit as an award.

So EU parliament is mix really, not just dumping ground.

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by amluto » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 8:42 PM UTC

The "ban zero rating" thing bothers me. I think that zero rating is a great idea if applied fairly. An ISP should be allowed to sell zero rated traffic at a fixed and publicly advertised price, using openly documented protocols, and free of onerous requirements or contracts, as long as any person or company can use it.

It's only zero rating for preferred providers under unfair or secretive terms that's problematic.

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by PythonicAlpha » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 8:49 PM UTC

funkyy wrote: post #11

PythonicAlpha wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole regulation was undermined from the beginning by financial interests of big corporations and internet providers. No wonder, when you see, which politicians are in charge. The EU -- I must regretful say -- is just a dumping place for those politicians, that did already prove in their own country that they are incompetent. The whole EU is just an invitation for lobbyists to get more pleasant regulations. In ou…

>The EU -- I must regretful say -- is just a dumping place for those politicians, that did prove in their own land that they are incompetent. Not really. EU is mostly dumping place for dangerous politicians. Ones that are to ambitious or can destroy status quo of current system. When prime minister is afraid of a strong independent person he sends him to the EU. Also the ones that did something as a favor like taking…

Maybe. I just can speak from those politicians, I saw going there. There are some very incompetent instances in between. I can not see, how they (which I know) could be dangerous -- in spite being dangerous for the whole EU because of their decisions in Brussels.

It also seems, that many politicians just see the EU as a way to get much money very fast. The best idea is, just to cater the interests of the lobbyists.

But maybe the real problem is, that we only have incompetent politicians left. When I see, how the Germans stick to the "most competent women-leader" we have ... it is a disgrace.

Today, leadership in politics in reality seems to mean: Don't do anything at all and wait, until "the market" will do it right. How anybody could trust such leaders, that never solve a problem, but just shift things into the future (ultimately making the troubles worse) is just beyond me.

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by Qantourisc » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 8:55 PM UTC

I must be missing something. I from the resources I read I didn't find an indication that these laws mandate that traffic prioritization is must allowed. As I gather they just don't specifically forbid prioritization.

If I'm wrong please reply. Not having a law that mandates true net neutrality is a shame. Having a law that forbids net neutrality is a totally different matter !

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by PythonicAlpha » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 8:59 PM UTC

Qantourisc wrote: post #14

I must be missing something. I from the resources I read I didn't find an indication that these laws mandate that traffic prioritization is must allowed. As I gather they just don't specifically forbid prioritization. If I'm wrong please reply. Not having a law that mandates true net neutrality is a shame. Having a law that forbids net neutrality is a totally different matter !

As much I know, you are right.

But you also must see, that when something (so profitable) is allowed, than it will be used. Such a loophole was long time awaited by the internet providers. They want a legal loophole, so they can better sell their services.

I guess, they are already in the starting blocks to sell "better services" to the highest paying bidder. How this will end and if the nightmares will come true, nobody can say.

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by sandstrom » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 9:22 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #5

Paul_S wrote: post #2

If you want to save the internet get involved with mesh networks. Emailing or tweeting your politicians is easy to do but pointless.

Back when the industry tried to push a unified software patentent bill in Europe, I wrote personal (non-stock) e-mails to some members of the EP. Nearly all of them gave non-stock answers and were interested in the arguments that I provided against patents. Many politicians are willing to listen to their voters, especially if it not a stock e-mail, carefully written, and not rude or threatening (which unfortunately s…

I have the same experience. I've personally emailed with [and gotten replies back from] both MPs[1] as well as one member of the EU Commission. I should note that it was replies from them, not their secretaries/letter-writers.

Subject was software patents and the TTIP and I spent about ~30 minutes writing an email (succinct, sound arguments, references, etc; an angry rant probably won't get a reply).

[1] Member of the European Parliament

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by woah » Sat, Oct 24, 2015, 10:11 PM UTC

Paul_S wrote: post #2

If you want to save the internet get involved with mesh networks. Emailing or tweeting your politicians is easy to do but pointless.

Tell me, what's the difference between a mesh network and an ISP?

Re: Net neutrality in the EU is only a few amendments away

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Post by brucefancher » Sun, Oct 25, 2015, 4:52 AM UTC

This is great news. Hopefully, we in the US will get to see what a mess this is in Europe before the rules recently passed by the FCC (which will be tied up in court for years) actually take affect.