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Every day, at my desk job. What are you getting at?
Shuffling papers or writing code is a different thing entirely from scrubbing someone else's toilet.
Maybe you haven't done it...
Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion
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Well, you could do other things to encourage more births. It's been done before, with significant success.
Where? Every country I'm aware of that dipped below replacement fertility has not been able to recover.
Israel, for one.
http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/children-of-isr...
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i think a major problem is that basic income will breed some very undesirable attitudes with those people who will depend on long term basic income. Dependency on handouts breeds passivity and indifference, you will also see a very violent and angry younger generation - these people might be very angry at anybody who sticks out of the gray norm of basic income. i think basic income will not breed critical thinkers, i…
I don't think the soviet union is comparable to a UBI state. For one a UBI state will still have a free market. Though the examples from the article aren't touching on the subject of productivity, the free market will clearly still be hiring those with valuable skill for good wages - way above UBI. This will be motivating for those that have anything to contribute.
> the free market will clearly still be hiring those with valuable skill for good wages - way above UBI. This will be motivating for those that have anything to contribute
Well, i doubt that the UBI handout dependent class will have the same education opportunities as those who have valuable skills; we might end up with self perpetuating class distinctions - education somehow has the magical property to favor the better off
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You underestimate the laziness of countless spoiled children who have lived in their parents basements watching netflix and playing video games for years when they could be following their passions.
> You underestimate the laziness of countless spoiled children Not to mention that many people underestimate the laziness of themselves given infinite free time. Posting to HN is a significant indicator. :)
I don't know about other HNers, but for me posting is directly proportional to how much work I have at work, and inversely proportional to how much time available I have for my own things. When I have a day to work freely on my own projects, this is a day I am not on HN.
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The thing is that there are a lot of people who, in the past, might have been able to make a living doing simple farm work, or tightening bolts on a car assembly line, or what have you. Those jobs have largely been automated away. Increasingly the only jobs available to that segment of the population are things like fast food. You can afford to pay a decent wage to someone who's turning out $50,000 cars. You can't af…
Its not clear that education/training can't solve it. There is resistance, as people have been burned by pointless 'education' that takes years. So they drop out/don't go to a college. But we could try to fix that. Its a route that hasn't been tried, in any case.
No, I'm sorry, it's quite clear that someone whose cognitive abilities are just adequate to tighten the same bolt over and over again is never going to become a neurosurgeon, no matter how much education you provide.
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Its not clear that education/training can't solve it. There is resistance, as people have been burned by pointless 'education' that takes years. So they drop out/don't go to a college. But we could try to fix that. Its a route that hasn't been tried, in any case.
No, I'm sorry, it's quite clear that someone whose cognitive abilities are just adequate to tighten the same bolt over and over again is never going to become a neurosurgeon, no matter how much education you provide.
That's a form of bigotry against the working class that's all too common. Sorry, everyone who didn't go to your University isn't an idiot.
And we don't need endless Neurosurgeons; we need folks who can operate our sophisticated society efficiently and pleasantly. There are a million ways to live better, than being sentenced to a life of burger flipping.
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No, I'm sorry, it's quite clear that someone whose cognitive abilities are just adequate to tighten the same bolt over and over again is never going to become a neurosurgeon, no matter how much education you provide.
That's a form of bigotry against the working class that's all too common. Sorry, everyone who didn't go to your University isn't an idiot. And we don't need endless Neurosurgeons; we need folks who can operate our sophisticated society efficiently and pleasantly. There are a million ways to live better, than being sentenced to a life of burger flipping.
I grew up in a family with a single mom with five kids. There were extended periods of time when we didn't have electricity or running water. I went to state universities using student loans.
You?
I notice that you don't mention any of these "million ways to live better". Do you have any specifics?
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That's a form of bigotry against the working class that's all too common. Sorry, everyone who didn't go to your University isn't an idiot. And we don't need endless Neurosurgeons; we need folks who can operate our sophisticated society efficiently and pleasantly. There are a million ways to live better, than being sentenced to a life of burger flipping.
I grew up in a family with a single mom with five kids. There were extended periods of time when we didn't have electricity or running water. I went to state universities using student loans. You? I notice that you don't mention any of these "million ways to live better". Do you have any specifics?
Hey me too! I grew up on a farm; went to state school; know hoards of rural folks way smarter than the average Silicon Valley nerd.
Better ways to live: Shopkeeper. Mechanic. Concierge. Furniture repair. Pet groomer. Now you try to add some more.
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Every day, at my desk job. What are you getting at?
Shuffling papers or writing code is a different thing entirely from scrubbing someone else's toilet.
And yes, I've done both. Sitting in a chair in a nice warm room, writing code, is a considerably more pleasant activity that scrubbing out public restrooms.
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Shuffling papers or writing code is a different thing entirely from scrubbing someone else's toilet.
And yes, I've done both. Sitting in a chair in a nice warm room, writing code, is a considerably more pleasant activity that scrubbing out public restrooms.
Doesn't change the fact that you have to do it to eat, and you're slaving away your life doing things you don't want. Not everyone is lucky to end up in a software project they enjoy, not to mention having a comfortable software job.